Everyone dooming here, but he literally just said that AIs are finding lots of glitches in old code, and that for that reason updates are getting bigger. Linus is NOT vibe coding linux.
And recently ground breaking privillege escalation glitches were found and fixed because of a LLM.
Of course we dont want shitty code from LLMs, but if they find important glitches and vulnerabilities, we obviously need to use them.
Especially if it comes to security. Hate AI like nothing else but you can’t deny the truth.
Linux is open source with all its code public with probably a docent of AI Agents constantly trying out different attack vectors, they will eventually find a vulnerability. It also does feel like there are more critical CVEs in recent times. (there is https://app.opencve.io/statistics but i feel like its too simple and context matters alot here but still).
I think its okey and actually a good thing if the kernel maintainers would have some AI helping them out with that sort of thing if we get a more secure kernel in return.
I’m not against AI in general. I’m just against using it stupidly. And against using it as a vehicle for further monopolisation and centralisation of power. I’m against the “use more AI” slogan too many companies push.
But use it for specific purposes under human control that improve quality, then I’m all for it.
I don’t think many people are against the existence of LLM-based AI in general, just the way it’s being pushed currently.
In the hands of highly experienced and skilled people it can be very valuable - the issue is that it generally isn’t. Personally I think Linus has demonstrated that he’s more than capable of using it intelligently and responsibly.
Sure but humans are lazy and greedy so it well be used for mostly evil.
Like people who say they check all the code sorry don’t believe them and even if they do human nature means they well start to trust it and not check the code.
Nuance is a learned skill when it comes to sensitive/trending topic discourse.
For anyone reading this, please learn more about topics you have a gut reaction to so you can better explain the pros and cons. You will be able to hold your own against people who know more about the topic, but refuse to acknowledge the cons, if you do.
…and 99.9% of what it identifies as errors either aren’t, or are so minor they’re irrelevant. And “fixing” them breaks piles of other code.
Projects that hasd no more than a dozen requests a year are now getting swamped with hundreds of requests a day. People in the third world are using agents to generate thousands of broken, garbage “patches” to claim money.
But why would Torvalds give a shit hey ?
He can fuck over those people just like he did with C++ developers.
I would also be afraid of this. How valid are the results of the LLMs? I sure there must be quite a few AI found exploits but the severity or legitimacy of all the returned AI evaluations and fixes can’t possibly have a uniform quality.
Everyone dooming here, but he literally just said that AIs are finding lots of glitches in old code, and that for that reason updates are getting bigger. Linus is NOT vibe coding linux.
And recently ground breaking privillege escalation glitches were found and fixed because of a LLM.
Of course we dont want shitty code from LLMs, but if they find important glitches and vulnerabilities, we obviously need to use them.
Fixed: replaced mistyped Ws with Es
Especially if it comes to security. Hate AI like nothing else but you can’t deny the truth.
Linux is open source with all its code public with probably a docent of AI Agents constantly trying out different attack vectors, they will eventually find a vulnerability. It also does feel like there are more critical CVEs in recent times. (there is https://app.opencve.io/statistics but i feel like its too simple and context matters alot here but still).
I think its okey and actually a good thing if the kernel maintainers would have some AI helping them out with that sort of thing if we get a more secure kernel in return.
Linus doesn’t really code anymore so the question is are others vibe coding Linux and I would say yes it is happening.
lemmings must be doomers, the only explanation seems to be intellectual diversity
I’m not against AI in general. I’m just against using it stupidly. And against using it as a vehicle for further monopolisation and centralisation of power. I’m against the “use more AI” slogan too many companies push.
But use it for specific purposes under human control that improve quality, then I’m all for it.
I don’t think many people are against the existence of LLM-based AI in general, just the way it’s being pushed currently.
In the hands of highly experienced and skilled people it can be very valuable - the issue is that it generally isn’t. Personally I think Linus has demonstrated that he’s more than capable of using it intelligently and responsibly.
I’d have to disagree with you that an outsized number of uneducated hivemind morons are against AI in any capacity.
This seems like an over generalization and less likely than the uneducated hivemind of morons actually being in favor of AI
Exactly.
What is the powerful new tools can be used for great good as well as great evil
Sure but humans are lazy and greedy so it well be used for mostly evil. Like people who say they check all the code sorry don’t believe them and even if they do human nature means they well start to trust it and not check the code.
Nuance is a learned skill when it comes to sensitive/trending topic discourse.
For anyone reading this, please learn more about topics you have a gut reaction to so you can better explain the pros and cons. You will be able to hold your own against people who know more about the topic, but refuse to acknowledge the cons, if you do.
…and 99.9% of what it identifies as errors either aren’t, or are so minor they’re irrelevant. And “fixing” them breaks piles of other code.
Projects that hasd no more than a dozen requests a year are now getting swamped with hundreds of requests a day. People in the third world are using agents to generate thousands of broken, garbage “patches” to claim money.
But why would Torvalds give a shit hey ? He can fuck over those people just like he did with C++ developers.
I would also be afraid of this. How valid are the results of the LLMs? I sure there must be quite a few AI found exploits but the severity or legitimacy of all the returned AI evaluations and fixes can’t possibly have a uniform quality.
Maybe you should of had AI find the glitches in your grammar.
Got em 😎 lol
Maybe you should’ve too :)
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Maybe you also should HAVE* ;)
Oh no, 'twas I, the silly goose, all along.
*This comment was grammatical checked by Lumo AI
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Lmao, english is not my first language, and my phones touch near the keyboard sucks
Casually dropping one of the broadest applicable use cases for an LLM that you didn’t use
Maybe you should have proofread your comment before posting a grammar gotcha!
Should HAVE**