I see no issues with this. It’s good to know the rules and your rights, and other useful info.
Landlords are leeches.
Landlords are just people who own property? Regular average people. Now… we can deduce that since most people kinda suck, on average, most landlords will kinda suck on average. But also, there are very kind and understanding landlords too. That said, they are like real people in the sense that they respond to how they are treated.
Treat’em like an asshole and they will probably oblige you. Treat someone pleasantly and with respect, you’ll probably be doing yourself a favor.
I thought this is a useful campaign until I reached the row about Karen. Don’t be a snitch.
No, the Karen in that scenario is the implied snitch. That line is saying something like, “are you a young POC just minding your own fucking business in your apartment when you keep catching that damn white lady sticking her head around the balcony divider to peer into your place and listen to your conversations, trying to catch you doing something wrong? We’ll tell you what your rights to privacy are”
If you knew that’s what it meant and you were actually saying don’t snitch on the racist white lady for spying or her Black neighbors or whatever though…well we just won’t ever be friends I guess.
I took it as turning the discussion around - I.e. what to do if your neighbour behaves as above? If so, it sounds like a good way to get people to think about respectful behaviour.
the “adulting is hard” bit makes it look like a complex that’s nearby a university. having had friends in similar living situations, i can tell you: over-privileged college kids in their first not-mommy&daddys-house residence can be absolutely out of fucking control
You say that, but…
I just got an email from my building saying that someone has been smoking weed in the hallways and in apartments (with shared HVAC); it reeks. It’s a smoke-free lease.
The first floor is a daycare center for kids with special needs.
I guess some people really need to be told that these things are not okay.
My bad, that’s probably me. I can try blowing it out a different window.
When I smoked, I lived in a house that the family owned and still never did it inside
It says VOA at the bottom. Volunteers of America manages a ton of affordable and voucher-based properties around the country. Some of the people I’ve helped move into units with them have been on the streets for years and have zero living skills. A class like this could genuinely help someone stay housed who might otherwise lose their housing voucher and be back on the street
It genuinely seems like it could have fantastic advice. I just wish they didn’t make it so incredibly condescending.
But if it’s voluntary, it’s not smart to sound like “you are an idiot and I don’t like you”. Especially people with mental or legal problems might avoid a situation where they are being confronted about their faults.
It is blunt, for people who can’t understand anything else.
I used to work for a nonprof helping the homeless, ran shelters, other programs.
Some people are traumatized, some people are a bit mentally off, some people are more so just dense, stupid, cocky assholes to whom the concepts of rules and consequences just… fundamentally do not seem to register, who also continuously and obviously lie.
Now this was more shelter oriented, but we helped move people into new housing too.
If you can’t handle shelter rules, as in, you consistently violate them, we were a lot less eager to help those people into housing, because they can’t follow rules, and part of what we are supposed to be doing on our end is sending over people who can and will.
Also, trust me, if you’ve ever been homeless, you will almost certainly develop a bit thicker skin than being offended by slightly impolite and blunt phrasing on a piece of paper, you will be dealing with a lot more serious shit than that basicslly all of the time, a lot more, extremely blunt and rude people than that, basically all the time.
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I served on the board of a Section 8 housing authority for a number of years.
You would be amazed at the number of people who don’t understand that leases are legally binding contracts and there are actual, enforceable consequences for violating the conditions of it.
“You guys can’t evict me.”
“Uhhh, yeah, we can. It just so happens that hording 30 cats in your house and letting them soak every inch of the place with piss is a violation of the terms of your lease.”
I don’t rent and it got me curious…
Yeah, I worked in a few affordable housing sites and the OP looks like something the on-site social workers cooked up.
I don’t think the people who are likely to become evicted due to poor decisions on their part, would be interested in taking a class in how not to become evicted.
This Venn diagram has no overlap.
I suspect it’s an apt building that is quick to evict - when people plead ignorance to the rules “well you should have attended the FREE LEASE VIOLATIONS TRAINING DUH!”
Doing anything > doing something. Not saying I agree
I’m a millennial and I hate the verb “adulting” more every time I hear it.
It was funny at first, but I won’t miss it if it disappears like other slang has.
I’m Gen Y, and I hate the term Millennial more every time that I hear it.
Gen X --> Gen Y --> Gen Z --> Gen Alpha
The only real difference is that millenial has a stigma that Gen Y doesn’t have.
Stigma as in something bad…?
“Gen F, Gen G, Gen H, Gen Irrelevant Historical Event that disrupts sequence, Gen J…”
Sounds cool. Pretty thoughtful
its probably helpful for the people it describes. not everyone understands how lease agreements work, even in the basic way the flyer talks about.
Or even acting like a human being, by the sounds of things.
That seems fairly reasonable. No one should have to put up with noisy neighbours stomping around all night or throwing house parties packing like sardines into overcrowded flats like it’s a bus in India or constantly emitted smells of dogshit, weed and extra smelly south asian food or be harassed for no reason or feel unsafe or otherwise disrupted in their own home or the surrounding infrastructure that they need to use as part of daily life like exits/entrances/walkways etc.
It’s called the social contract.
Edit: If you wondered what the hell happened to the social contract and basic self-awareness, just look at the number of downvotes on this fairly uncontroversial take. These are the people who are blasting tiktoks on speaker on public transport and dumping garbage outside the bins.
dogshit, weed and asian food
one of these is not like the other…
Yeah you’re right one of them is a smell some people can somehow stand because they live in it and it doesn’t make it any more appropriate to emit despite whatever bizarre rationalisations the people emitting the smell have.
I’m sure your food stinks to people who aren’t used to it. Why do you get to pass judgement on what’s appropriate there? I’m not Asian and the only issue I have with it is that it makes me hungry.
I meant weed lol.
As for asian food, I think it’s a very well known fact that asian food has a smell that lingers and carries far more than most other cuisines commonly encountered in the english-speaking world. I don’t mind it so much but I think it is basic courtesy to be mindful of this and close the windows while cooking for at least a bit while cooking to avoid disrupting the neighbours and past a certain point it does become disruptive.
Here’s my question, I’m not sure if it applies to you or is more general: Don’t folks have any sense of privacy? Do they not feel a bit weird broadcasting what they’re eating to the entire neighborhood? It’s kinda like those crazies that play videos on speaker on transport. It never even crossed my mind since childhood to use headphones to not disrupt others - the primary motivation was always that randoms have no business knowing what I listen to.
“asian food” covers billions of people from hundreds of cultures across dozens of countries. I am not convinced that reducing to it in this way is especially productive.
Some ingredients do carry more than others, but like… garlic is one of them. Or bacon. No-one should feel like they need to take special measures to prevent people from smelling perfectly ordinary food, because to do so is an unreasonable imposition on day-to-day activities. Why should I have to keep my steamed-up windows closed so that someone walking by can be protected from the scourge of cumin?
There are super-stinky foods that this doesn’t apply to, recognised even in the cultures which consume them as especially smelly and warranting special treatment, but “asian food” is way too broad to be that. And when it’s imposed by one culture on another it starts to sound discriminatory to me.
Do they not feel a bit weird broadcasting what they’re eating to the entire neighborhood?
No.
It’s kinda like those crazies that play videos on speaker on transport. It never even crossed my mind since childhood to use headphones to not disrupt others - the primary motivation was always that randoms have no business knowing what I listen to.
That’s weird. It’s definitely more important not to disturb people with what you’re listening to. It’s also much easier to keep the volume down with earphones than it is to keep smells confined, and much more disruptive - I never found it difficult to sleep or hold a conversation or concentrate because I could smell soy sauce.
What a weird hill to die on.
Of course if I’m cooking so much it steams up my windows (wtf are you cooking), I try to manage the smell because I should not impose a smell on my fellow man.
Do you not wear deodorant too, because BO encompasses billions of kinds of smells and because it’s in your “culture”? Ew. Same thing for food.
Most importantly I do not want others to know what I’m eating. It’s not information I choose to share because of a fundamental basic desire for privacy, for the same reason I wouldn’t want others to hear the music in listening to, videos i’m watching, or read my thoughts or feel my emotions unless I chose to share it with them in the way I choose to share it (words of deliberate communication).
If I was going out of my way to eat something unusually super stinky and weird like garlic containing foods, or asian food, especially Indian & Chinese, where e.g. a letting agent once showed me a flat that was reduced rent because it smelled like instant ramen because someone ate it all the time there, I would be mindful of the smell it generates because to me the past resident will forever be “ramen guy” and in the unlikely event we ever met, I highly doubt that’s how he wants to be known, and I certainly wouldn’t want to be known as that or for any food I eat or information I don’t deliberately share.
And when it’s imposed by one culture on another it starts to sound discriminatory to me.
Yeah, so when asian food in the west is imposed upon westerners and other immigrants who are happy to integrate with western culture by immigrants who are not, it’s a-okay, but me asking for reasonable adjustments is “oppression”?
Lol what the fuck. I never thought I’d be arguing for what feels like a right-wing viewpoint, but come on, surely you can see how this is absurd? When in Rome, do as the Romans do. To westerners - Asian food is stinky.
Maybe in an Asian country the whole place smells like that, maybe there they project smells because they don’t have an expectation of privacy due to overloaded infrastructure and packed roads/streets/buses/trains forcing them to be packed like sardines.
I wouldn’t know and I don’t want to imagine or assume, I don’t live there for a good reason and I don’t want western countries and my neighborhood to smell like that too.
FYI: A survey in the UK found most asian takeaway is consumed by right-wing voters.
No.
Then we can never understand each other. If you lack the fundamental desire for privacy, from which a “treat others as you’d like to be treated” idea easily follows, thinking that maybe you shouldn’t be stinking up the street so everyone knows what you’re eating at all times, then our differences are irreconcilable and I could not begin to imagine how to even communicate with you, it is simply inconceivable for me.
To me the absolute most basic point of a social contract is that you must in all ways possible minimize your presence, an ideal towards which you must strive is your neighbours not even knowing you exist, just as I do not want to know if they exist. Social connections are what apps are for.
Sadly due to poor infrastructure and housing quality this is seldom achievable, but it’s the utopia we must reach for nonetheless, so we can all go about our lives without being disrupted and imposed on by others and stay out of each others way until one day when we can live without ever encountering or being forced into acknowledging the existence of another person at all - paradise. Maybe AI can help us get there.
something unusually super stinky and weird like garlic containing foods
lol enjoy your unseasoned boiled wheat, troll
Brits are using on average 250 cloves of garlic per year. If you genuinely think it’s weird and are not making a weird troll attempt here, I’m afraid you’re the weird one. I guess that’s weird either way.
Yeah, so when asian food in the west is imposed upon westerners and other immigrants who are happy to integrate with western culture by immigrants who are not, it’s a-okay, but me asking for reasonable adjustments is “oppression”?
Demanding that everyone who comes to your country either stops cooking the food they grew up eating or keeps it a secret is not reasonable, and is oppressive. When I lived in a foreign country, I didn’t stop cooking my home country’s food; indeed, I shared it with my new friends in that country and we all enjoyed the experience. (No doubt this violation of my own privacy is strange to you…)
most asian takeaway is consumed by right-wing voters.
Most people in the UK are right wing by voting intention. What’s your point with this?
Then we can never understand each other. If you lack the fundamental desire for privacy, from which a “treat others as you’d like to be treated” idea easily follows
Those two things are completely unconnected. Treat others as you’d like to be treated is a moral fundamental; it does not follow from a desire for privacy. A desire for privacy follows from a selfish (but entirely legitimate) desire not to suffer consequences for personal choices that don’t affect others.
I don’t want to be punched in the face, so I don’t punch other people in the face. But there are no privacy implications of being punched in the face.
If someone looks over my shoulder at what’s on my phone and sees I’m listening to Abba, that’s an intrusion into my privacy, but the person hasn’t suffered anything that I wouldn’t wish on myself.
So as I said, these are completely separate, unrelated concepts.
To me the absolute most basic point of a social contract is that you must in all ways possible minimize your presence, an ideal towards which you must strive is your neighbours not even knowing you exist, just as I do not want to know if they exist.
This is extremely far from normal. We’re social creatures.
I’m wondering if you’re autistic - it would explain an aversion to strong sensory experiences like smelling garlic, and to social interactions that are normal to most others.
Ever since weed was legalized in my area, downtown has been an array of weed smells on every other street. It’s quite upsetting. Idk how it’s even possible for it to linger in open air in a way that cigarettes don’t.
I don’t think it’s about lingering, I think there are just a lot more joints than cigarettes on fire at any given time.
Yeah, it sucks.
I have nothing against weed, I smoked multiple times daily myself a few years ago and while I wouldn’t recommend it, I think it’s fine, just easy to meme on.
But, the smell is unreal. Wtf, just use a bong? Do we really need a law to make this a fineable offense?
asian food
god forbid people season their fucking food. all foodstuffs must be boiled until grey and served with ketchup right?
jfc
Most food is seasoned.
Most food doesn’t stink half as much.
I’m not saying Asian food is bad.
I’m not saying don’t eat it.
What I’m saying is: be mindful of others and don’t impose smells on unsuspecting people who are unfortunate enough to be there.
You wear deodorant, don’t you? Because you don’t want others to know you are sweaty, and you wouldn’t want to smell others’ sweat, would you? So you mask BO with deodorant. Especially if you’re particularly sweaty, such as after work or a workout.
So why not do so for extraordinarily stinky food?
You wear deodorant, don’t you?
lol, I live in the PNW. we had a chill summer - barely a few weeks above 23c. I actually don’t wear deodorant 99% of the time, but do use aftershave.
when I get sweaty I go home and shower. it’s not a problem.
So why not do so for extraordinarily stinky food?
what are we talking about here? like durian stinky?
because I just suspect your definition of stinky is different, but it could be corpse flower flambe.
Perhaps it’s time to get to know the neighbors.
I live in the UK, average temp where I live is 5c, given the windchill and ~80% humidity most days, it’s cold as shit.
I also don’t produce as much BO even when I do sweat, due to maintaining fairly low estrogen levels intentionally for other reasons.
I wear deodorant every single day, and perfume (lush body spray though, normal perfumes stink).
Unless they eat a corpse at 6pm every Thursday and Saturday or so, almost like some sort of smelly clock system, I doubt it.
We are not the same.
aw poor stinky limey snowflake can’t stand his neighbors cooking with funny smells.
We are not the same.
you’re a sad little shit, damned straight
Maybe, but at least I’m not the one getting evicted:)
Asian food. Oh, so you’re racist?
It’s also pretty standard shit for an apartment lease.
I mean, they call out a breed of dog for no reason.
I had an insanely violent vizsla living near me that always tried to attack me. Did that not count? Does it only count if it’s a breed that Trumpers hate?
for no reason.
lol
What the fuck is your problem with Asian food?
Go microwave some squid at your office and see how well that goes down.
You mean like calamari? I didn’t know Italy was in Asia. Anyway, no thanks, that would make it all rubbery.
The advice given isnt the issue. Its the attitude its all spoken in…
Stuff like “Free (unlike your late fee that you keep racking up)” for example
I like the tone actually. Hate landlords and yeah it’s a bit nasty when you think of the social dynamics but honestly sometimes you just have to reach people, because the kinds of people who become an issue also don’t tend to read the dry legal document that is their rental agreement, I guarantee you.
Its not about it being not dry. Its moreso that its the exact type of tone that would make me want to do the exact opposite of whatever it says.
You’re not reading right. I said the legal document of a rental agreement is dry, and morons won’t read it, so they have to have something more shouty and threatening shoved in their face, simplified and made emotional, like how you’d speak to a misbehaving animal, simple words, emphasis on the tone.
If you’d still want to do the opposite, you’re just antisocial and probably the reason this was put up.
Having dealt with such antisocial behaviour before, it was a nightmare, I only wish it was legal to deliver such individuals to the hell in which I hope they burn for all eternity.
It reads like an attempt at joviality that comes off as condescending. College students see this shit all the time.
I’m an old fart. I know better than to try to be hip. I’m not, and never have been. I get along just fine.
Who cares. You softer than butter? You’ll survive
Very few people have actually read the social contract, and fewer still have signed it.
Huh? Why the fuck would I care whether my neighbor includes a cousin? If the cousin is paying to stay there then I can see some legal issues but why would this have anything to do with me?
The rest I agree with. Don’t want people bothering me.
The problem is only when the place is made for one person, e.g. a studio, and there is one official resident, but actually more unofficial residents that are on-paper guests, but de-facto stay there, and as such generate disruptive noise to the neighbours or overload some shared facilities.
The “cousin” example is just hyperbole for emphasis.
There’s no problem if the cousin is on the lease. That’s the point.
I’m sorry, but that’s weird.
Leases are weird?
You wouldn’t care, but their landlord would. Not sure why you brought up the cousin when the post you replied to didn’t mention it.
Idgaf what the landlord cares about, landlords suck the life out of society, why don’t they go suck a dick instead?
I don’t either, but that’s not relevant to the post you commented on at all. They said nothing about the cousin bit, only things that actually affect other people living in the area.
This feels incredibly targeted to me… one of the residents must be a pit bull owner with a deadbeat cousin and some really good Tuesday nights.
I think those are just the most common things people get evicted for or complained about
All of a sudden I can see, more clearly, how “landlord” is a form of controlling the poor, like low wages is, it’s not just an imbalance in the current system where they’ve accidentally made the system entirely too heavy with investors and not rebalanced the system to be fair, that’s no accident. It’s a system and purposeful tool of oppression. They aren’t going to make housing more affordable or do anything about the fact “landlords” (landlords, corporations, Airbnb, owning houses) hold too much power. That’s by design. Capitalism creates slavery in insidious ways, until suddenly it’s not insidious, but by then it’s too late.
You got that from this post?
This and a few other key pieces floating around. History, capitalisms usual trajectory, current happenings. The fact that it’s so bad and no politicians are doing anything, but like multiple places in the world. The levels of fascism popping up everywhere. Capitalism is a pyramid scheme where the people at the top want exponential growth, with a finite amount they can take from. The genocides going on, are to increase profits and control world shipping corridors. If they take all of our land, they have the majority of the populous in the world, as a slave work force, we would work just to pay them for the roof over our heads. The rules around renting are getting so extreme, and nothing is being done about regulating this, to protect the renters rights. Without renters, the house they live in falls into rot, and they go out of business overnight. But renters aren’t treated like the customer, we’re gaslight into believing renters are subservient to landlords and landlords are doing renters a favor (by letting them pay off the landlords property, and or lining their pockets) the trajectory we’re currently on, and the pace at which the rules and laws are becoming a tighter noose around the renters neck, tells me it’s getting a lot worse, very fast. I don’t know, now I’m rambling. I’m tired. I don’t even know if I’m making sense right now.
You make enough sense in the points you make.
Responding these things to the post at hand is what makes no sense. It sure looks like either you’ve got an idea in the chamber waiting for a soapbox at best and shilling at worst. I kind of doubt the shill line, but everything you wrote is stereotypical Lemmy and landlords which is unusually asymmetric commentary for a post about how not to get evicted.
This tastes weird. I don’t disagree with you, but I feel like I’m in an advertisement and I don’t like it.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Yeah, I could really work on my delivery. I feel like it’s probably coming across that way because I’m mostly angry venting into the wild, rather than speaking to people, and I really need to work on that. I’m just so angry about all that I see, and I don’t expect people to actually listen to anything I say, that’s probably a byproduct of being a mum for the last, well, it’s been over 30 years now. So I feel like I’m probably doing more screaming into a pillow, than proper adult discourse. I just want to vent my anger, I just want someone to say, yeah, shits fucked up, back to me.
Just to clarify, It’s not that I think landlords, individually are evil, I just see how they’re being weaponised. I just read a few lines and it clicked some things together.
I’ve been consuming too much history stuff, lately. It’s making me really angry.
Totally reasonable like I said, just very punchy so it’s hard to tell if I just walked into something.
Edit: I will add, my hatred for landlording (which is of course Lemmy standard) has been tamped by the fact that my parents had a 900 sq ft house they rented to truckers in our hometown, and I’ve often considered buying a house to rent out in the college town where I live. There are lots of people who only want to live in a place for 1 to 4 years near me and buying a house makes no sense for them. What is so bad about giving a nice place to stay for short term and putting enough money in my pocket to take a vacation once a year? Idk, it doesn’t feel the same as slumlording a building of people who can’t afford anywhere else to go.
Absolutely, do that. You can’t control the forest when you only own one tree. It’s not the individuals fault that the laws, and regulations have become predatory. Be ok with voting against your own interests if making the system more fair becomes an option down the line, even if that will effect your hip pocket. That’s what needs to change, in more sectors than just housing, people need to be ok with voting against their own interests, if it means making the system more fair for underprivileged. Because those are the ladders that have been removed, and that is the way to put them back.
I don’t think capitalists think much beyond “I need more money and I don’t give a shit about anything else”. Sure, some are super fucking competent and scary as shit, but most are Zuckerbergs, Musks, and Bezos. Incompetent weirdos that managed to sit their ass on a somewhat stable asset and had others do all the labor for them.
But the system itself is doing thus, more than the individual pieces
I’ma take a wild guess - is this being posted in a college town? Because a lot of that looks like shit you would’ve needed to tell me when I was 19.
Not really? The city over is a college town though so maybe its just close enough for osmosis to happen
Yeah, that might be what’s happening. I live in the city next to a university, and there are a lot of students in certain apartment complexes here. Moreover, that was also the case where I lived when I was in college. The adjacent cities had lots of students.
The owners of this building might also be actively advertising their apartments to students.
That was my first guess, too. It seems geared towards first time renters.
Have you ever turning up on a Tuesday like it’s a YoungBoy concert in your living room?
