I hate how people are so used to getting ripped off that they hear “four day work week” and assume that it’s going to be 4-10’s.
Like this is Bernie. He’s not perfect, but he gets this type of shit right. Obviously he’s advocating a 32 hour, 4-day work week. It says so in the article that apparently no one read. But people are just so inured to everything getting worse all the time. Damn.
I also think companies should start paying for commute times, and that the time paid should be adjusted based on the cost of living in the area and the salary.
Of someone chooses to live 3 hours away when they could live in walking distance, that’s one thing. But I work for a municipality in a prohibitively expensive area. 0 city employees live in the city they work and literally 100% of households are multi-millionaires or better. I have a 90-120 minute commute depending on traffic because that’s where I can afford to live on my salary, but it also means I’m essentially working 3-4 hours extra a day.
Of course the city isn’t gonna pay me 50% again more money, but if they were required to pay for my commute time they’d suddenly agree that I only really need to be in the office about once a week for public meetings since mostly what I do is Teams meetings, plan review, phone calls and emails, which could be done just as easily from my home office as at City Hall.
Shit - I get more done remote because I don’t have to deal with people walking in without an appointment and demanding a meeting.
Fuck yeah #feelthebern
“Should,” yes.
“Will,” not in Christian America, sunny Jim.
Oh, a 4 day work week will come, with 4 hours of work per day (after an hour commute), to avoid paying you benefits. You’ll need 2 or three of those jobs to pay rent along with your roommates.
I used to travel regularly to Germany, spains and France, for instance work on production sites and equipment there. The standard legal working week currently in France is 35 hours. Currently data shows on average US workers work 34 hours a week. To be honest, it’s not that far off from the 32 hours Sanders is suggesting in his legislation he is coauthoring
Did you think to ask/wonder why it’s exactly 1hr below 35?
Denmark made the 32-hour workweek standard and their GDP went up. The fact that other countries aren’t following suit is proof that the capitalists don’t even follow their own statistical models.
You’re missing an important distinction, though: in the US, health benefits are tied to full-time employment, and most places consider anything under 35 to be part-time. I’ve had several jobs that would force me to clock off if I was at risk of hitting that full-time threshold. I had times where I was struggling to make ends meet, but they wouldn’t let me work more. And, at least in my state, if you take on a second job, wages from the second job are taxed at a higher rate.
So 34 American hours and the benefits associated are very different from 35 French hours. Codifying the threshold for full-time employment at 32 hours instead will only benefit white collar workers. Everyone else will just get their hours cut even further and be driven further into poverty.
Basically, we really, really need to fix American healthcare before anything else, because until we’re on a single-payer system, most changes to labor law will fuck the most at-risk populations.
The issue is that you have to work 38 to 40 hours a week to get full time benefits, so most Americans aren’t getting healthcare or vacation days at that level of employment, as they are considered “part time workers.”
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I already work a 4 day work week. 4/10’s. I get up at 3 am. I fight traffic on the way home which doubles or triples my commute time home. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
I think 4/10’s is already doable in a lot of industries but I question why they expect it to continue to be a 40 hour work week, or expect us to be paid more money for less hours. Nothing has trended that way in the entire time I’ve been alive. Feels like a pipedream.
I feel ya. I’m on Mon-Thr. Commute home at the height of rush hour. I stay in the city on Thursday nights and enjoy a couple of spots after shift.
I appreciate that he’s trying, but Bernie is so out of his depth when it comes to AI.
I think his point is valid. He’s pointing out the delusion of the “benefit” of AI and driving home that if it’s real a 4day week should be the least
Obviously it’s all a bunch of horseradish, but that’s not his burden of proof
“sorry, best we can do is 2 shit jobs 7 days a week. AI took all the good ones and we’re not sharing a fucking thing with you”
- billionaire scum
Absolutely. The AI will only work 4 days a week after everyone is laid off.
*must
*2-day
I honestly probably only actually do three days worth of actual productive work a week, the other two days are spent in meetings which are necessary because management like to change procedures on a bi monthly basis, just to show everyone how in charge they are.
4 day work week would be already possible if we didn’t use a sizable amount of our industry production to just make useless crap. It would be 3 days, if we abolished planned obsolescence and made thing repairable.
According to Bullshit Jobs it would be less than half the working hours if we just stopped doing those
It needs to bring a UBI with it.
Oh that note, looking back, Andrew Yang might have been the best choice for a nominy in 2020.
Imagine if chatGPT came out and then the president of US, who fully understands the enshitification and rug pull model of Silicon Valley just slapped a huge VAT tax on it, or maybe forced companies to charge the real price.
Man Biden was such a bad choice in 2020
Andrew Yang might, on occasion, have been known to deliver the occasional nominy, a folk orative tradition of lengthy speeches delivered using formulaic rhyming schemes, much to the other nominees’ chagrin.
corpo dems gonna corpo
I’ll give you that on Biden but nuh uh on Yang.
On February 17, 2022, Yang announced the launch of a Web3 community whose membership token fees would be used to fund lobbying work on behalf of Web3, blockchain, and cryptocurrency interests on Capitol Hill.[64]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang
Ideologically, Forward is populist and reformist, and a representative of centrism in the United States. It considers itself to be the center within the American political spectrum, although the party has also been described as big tent or syncretic due to its unwillingness on holding any firm stances or positions,[4]
UBI without price control is useless. Rent is just going to go up by that amount and same for utilities, food, etc.
That would be a profound lack of imagination on companies. Raising prices to cover costs make sense since all businesses will be affected in the same way equally, but to just do it because everyone has more money doesn’t, your competitor might just undercut you by keeping their prices the same, and then get all the profit.
That assumes that everything isn’t either owned by monopolies, trusts, or even just companies all agreeing to hike prices
My sweet summer child…
Lol.
Have you seen how the real economy works? It works by creating monopolies, fixing prices, lobbying for public contracts and subsidies and moving everything into private equity.
Do you think landowners won’t leech every cent they can get away with?
it’s kinda bringing a “0 hour work” week for a lot of people.
I don’t care if they bring 0 work day if they pay me universal income. I could learn full stack, draw, read books, open a company, etc. Now all I do is word, excels, and a tiny bit of incident response.
I went to college for spreadsheets.
Obligatory shoutout to read David Graeber’s “Bullshit Jobs”.
I don’t know if that’s a good quid pro quo. At least in Canada the labor is plenty busy and would work weekends for the overtime. The issue is pay and labor conditions at the lowest echelons. That includes kids coming out of universities. They have to lower their expectations because their lack of experience makes them comparable to an AI assistant. But how are they suppose to become experts?
