First it’ll be the seats. Next they will remove the floor. Now it’s one of those dangling roller coaster rides without rails! 😃
Apart from the deadly practicalities, and the boring route, that does sound kinda fun ngl.
What about people like myself who have POTS and can’t be in a standing position for too long? My heart can legit stop causing me to pass out if I’m standing for too long.
Then don’t book standing seats?
Why should I have to be forced to pay more for sitting seats just because I have a disability? What if all the sitting seats are fully booked or the plane has no sitting seats for passengers? It’s like intentionally designing a shop with several tall steps at the entrance that would make it impossible for wheelchair users to enter, and the wheelchair users have to pay each time they shop there to have a ramp extended at the entrance so they can enter. It’s an example of ablest design.
This extreme capitalism is absurd and needs to end. People like to pretend that the state taking over industry is some radical thing, but it’s the only way to make it function correctly. Capitalists have not demonstrated an ability to handle anything, they’re like toddlers.
No, the problem is consumers buying the products.
If everybody refused to use the standing seats, they’d eventually HAVE to get rid of them, there’d be no point in having a chunk of the plane empty.
Communists be like, “we must unite to stop capitalists destroying the planet! Now where’s that planet destroying steak I paid for…”
So you do support collective action against corporate tyranny? Lmao
What? What does union organising have to do with consumer responsibility?
My point is that communists love sitting around WAITING for someone to take drastic systemic overhauls, whilst being seemingly unable to control their own consumer habits.
Communists will destroy the planet idly waiting for capitalism to end because “I’m a slave under capitalism, I have to drive everywhere, I have to eat meat”
I never said anything about unions. I was talking about an organized boycott. That’s the only way to achieve what you are talking about.
I really don’t understand what you’re talking about with regard to communists. Are you talking about random people you know?
Maybe you mean folks who say “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism”? I really don’t follow.
Life is more expensive when you’re disabled. That’s not news. But why should you be mad about changes that help other people save money? What you should be mad about is that the savings are turned into extra profits instead of going towards making your tickets cheaper.
I get your point and I believe people with a disability should get a sitting seat for the same price.
However, this can actually reduce the price for the sitting seat as well. As now more people will be able to fit in the airplane. Meaning that more people can share the costs of the plane. The whole goal of this is to be able to offer lower prices by lowering the costs.
In countries with a high amount of competition this is a good thing, of course in places where there isn’t you already have a situation in place where you are already being screwed, and then something such as this won’t help.
I hate air travel so much. I have non-local family so deal with a single r/t per year, but that’s about my limit.
Got to get that body count up these suckers be falling from the skies. Exponential Madness. Slippery Slope. We’re all falling down the mountain, grasping for a short rope. Mass hysteria gaslighting clowns, limp dick leadership. Fly to your vacay as the nukes are dropping. YOLO. A world in denial. The show must go on. Welcome to the world of the billionaire welfare queen. The Liberals open the door for their devil. This was always the case. The Sun whorshippers, breed-like rats and whorship idols. Singing their coping mechanisms of toxic positive optimism. Who the hell needs to watch movies anymore? Clown, clown show, clown show. Capitalism in Crisis, everybody’s goose stepping. It’s easy to destroy but difficult to build. lowest common denominator.
Sir this is a highly confused Wendys…
Ryanair be Like
That’s majestic
These standing seats have been coming next year for the past decade, but they always failed safety tests. Planes need to be evacuated within a certain time frame, which does not work when the plane is too densely packed.
Can’t they go Middle Earth on them and just create more doors?
Pilots were asked about the problem and one said “I sen guards to the exits to help with the evacuation.”
Did the stronger younger people try pushing the frail and children out of the way during these safety tests? Because I feel like the plane world empty quickly in that scenario
“Do you feel capable of opening the exit in case of an emergency?”
– Yes.
“Do you feel capable of throwing the old woman behind you of of the window in case of an emergency?”
– What?
“Do you know how to punch someone unconscious if they fall to hysteria in case of an emergency?”
– I would like to leave the plane now.dont give them ideas!
I think we should relax rules on how quickly it is to evaluate a plane, and focus more on keeping the plane in the sky. (looking at you Boeing)
I’d love sleeping pods or bunk beds on a plane and accept the higher risk of not being able to get out quickly.
Cars and probably even train are infinitely more dangerous and we accept those risks every day.
There is no legitimate reason why trains or cars should be more dangerous modes of transport than flights. It is just that the lobbies for cars and capitalist train operations successfully desensitized everyone to it, so “deadly car crash” is just shrugged away. In the US we see similar attempts to make planes less safe and just accept the numbers of people killed in preventable events.
IDK about trains, but the problem with cars is that we let people operate them with minimal training and practically no oversight. You see shit on roads daily where if the driver was flying a plane, they wouldn’t even be let on as a passenger anymore ever.
We could increase the training requirements and oversight. We could design road-networks in a way that makes speeding more difficult and enact stricter speed limits.
Whenever these measures are taking in an area they greatly reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured.
We could increase the training requirements and oversight.
I wish.
And who’s going to tell all those people that they are not going to drive again, ever? In pilot training, even showing signs of bravado or machismo is grounds for getting failed. The problem is that if you do that those people will go and vote you out, especially in this climate.
One of the main campaign promises of the idiot who got the most votes in the last Dutch election was to put the speed limits back to 130 kmh from the reduced 100 kmh on motorways. People like to be dumb.
BTW it would take minimal effort to enforce highway speed limits with cameras checking entry and exit times and distances. In some places with road tolls, it wouldn’t even need any more data collection. A single SQL query would return all those people doing 100 kmh over on the motorways. Wonder why outside of a few outliers, nobody does it.
One big reason why mass transit is and always will be (part of) the correct answer: Don’t have to fear taking away peoples’ privelege to drive if transit it there to get them around afterward.
people don’t like wasting time in traffic and will happily take a slightly higher death rate to get it.
We are not talking about the inherent danger of driving, but the danger caused by people either physically or psychologically unfit to drive. The problem is not highways with speed limits of 130 kmh, but the people driving 240 on them, or the people driving drunk, running red lights, etc.
And as SUV sales show, most people are not comfortable with higher death rates for themselves, but are okay with endangering others. Ironically though, SUVs are more dangerous for their drivers as well, so apparently people are going for a perception of safety rather than actual safety even for themselves.
This would make people so mad though.
I had a buddy from Northern Ireland take the Massachusetts driver’s test and he was blown away over how many things weren’t checked.
I don’t think loosening regulations in one place will help in other places.
And if we are making rules about exiting a plane it should apply to when the plane lands normally. There is absolutely no reason it takes 30+ mints to get the fuck off the plane once we’ve arrived at the gate
That would mean getting rid of carry-on and deploying emergency chutes every time which costs 10s of thousands to replace each time and grounds the plane for weeks. Makes sense.
Why not both?
This looks like a pain in the balls in case of turbulence
Some would probably enjoy some turbulence in their ass.
passengers hanging outside not before 2030
How people can look at (mostly) state owned rail vs private airlines and still think the free market benefits the average person is one of life’s big mysteries to me.
I mean, Trump won the vote, and Brexit won the vote… Something tells me it’s as simple as most people are fucking stupid.
Watch these cost the same as standard seats, and the cost of standard seats go up
“You’re still a premium subscriber and have full access to our premium plan, but some of our options have changed.”
So I guess no putting your head between your knees in the event of a crash then, huh?
The only reason airlines would have you do that in the first place is so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
Not true.
I suppose it’s to protect your head from possible flying debris?
It’s to prevent you from becoming flying debris
More too protect your teeth so they can identify via dental records
It’s a play on put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye as in it’s not going to help you no matter what
Do you not know of Captain Sulemburger
You need to pass yoga test to afford this seat
Maybe they could replace that with a noose that comes down next to the oxygen. Then, if you get claustrophobic, you get off the plane any time you want.
That would require assisted suicide to be legal.
The ‘ol Marylin Manson
Well strapped to a sightly ergonomic plank upright is pretty safe, even better if you face away from the direction of the crash.
Honestly, I’m pretty tall and if it gives more room for my legs, I’d like to have the option
Finally more leg room… But now your head bumps against the ceiling and you need to have your head tilted for the entire flight
Same answer as above
Most people can’t stand outside of the aisle because this area is meant to be seated (so they put storage space above the head). If the area outside the aisle is meant to be stood (not sure of my english), and they don’t remove the storage above the head, people are in their right to luigi those decision makers.
*stood -> standing
I stand corrected
I have to lean sideways anyway because my shoulders are too broad and the side of the plane is round.
There’s so much about flying that sucks as a big person.
My knees are folded up to my chest. I’m leaning to the right to stay off the fuselage. I can’t be in an aisle seat because I’m in the way of the crew, and I have to lean forward the whole time because someone is in the seat next to me. And that person hates me.
My dread of the flying experience is why I never go on vacations.
Why do you assume there will be leg room?
This. The who point is to cram more seats than they are currently able
Presumably standing seats means standing up? Hopefully not squatting seats.
Is this gonna be another stand vs. squat debate?
Will the height be adjustable? Otherwise the sitting thing will be either way to low or poking the backs of most people.
Insert short people dangling from them like kids from walkers xD
I’ve always imagined it would be like the seats on a stand-up rollercoaster, which are admittedly pretty comfortable; but if they don’t allow you to adjust the height, it could be hell for both short and tall people
If you can stand up in a plane outside of the aisle, you’re not tall.
Most people can’t stand outside of the aisle because this area is meant to be seated (so they put storage space above the head). If the area outside the aisle is meant to be stood (not sure of my english), and they don’t remove the storage above the head, people are in their right to luigi those decision makers.
No idea who fetterman is, I just image-searched “tall man in plane”
Someone who won on progressive ideals and then immediately stabbed his constituents in the back by going full Democrat.
Is that fetterman?
Is he a drooling clown in a hoodie and shorts?
The lengths the US will go to to avoid building high-speed rail.
This is almost certainly a European thing.
It is a European thing!
https://liveandletsfly.com/ryanair-showcases-standing-room-vertical-seats/
Because of course it’s Ryanair.
Oh, you want a seat? That’s an extra £50. Each. Both ways. Go fuck yourselves.
The EU needs to regulate the fuck out of that shitbag company.
It’s a capitalism thing.
Extract as much value as possible. Deliver as little value to your customers as possible. Treat them as second layer of product.
Human needs are not the goal.
This isn’tcurrently anAmerican thing like the other person suggested though
Yep, nobody ever tried to exploit their fellow humans until capitalism was adopted in the 18th century. The other economic systems that existed parallel to capitalism were also exploitation-free.
It is weird when you criticize one thing and people start saying shit like this, as if your critique of the one thing, is an endorsement of everything else.
The point isn’t that capitalism is worse, but that it isn’t any better. Despite all the fancy clothes and powdered wigs there is still a class oppressing another class except now the oppressors enjoy far fewer violent deaths.
At least a king had the decency to die several hundred feet behind the poor fucking levies in the same muck as them.
I think back then they were just high on their own supply and believe their bullshit. And nowadays the people that run things are just in a apocalyptic mindset where they know what they are doing is wrong and that’s why they’ve built a security state to protect them and their wealth. This is why America is a police state. It’s just like one big giant. concentration camp that can turn up the dial when necessary. An open air prison with varying degrees. Also, a lot of these people don’t realize their products are shitty and not well made like they used to be. And you can blame China, but the world’s capitalist system. And it takes two to tango. I think the people that are rich just have no conscience and they don’t understand quality. The leader is a follower and the follower is a leader that is dead.
I never suggested otherwise. However capitalism’s core motivator is exploitation.
It is in no way wrong to suggest we move away from such a model, or criticize such a model.
Ryanair has no plans to introduce them. (sorry for the metro link).
Also Ireland kind of gets a pass they don’t have a rail link to anywhere. A Dublin-Holyhead tunnel would definitely be a good idea.
The UK can barely get high speed rail going to Birmingham where they’ve already got tracks. The rest of HS2 got cancelled.
I don’t see how the same thing under the sea would ever get done.
Plus trains here are more expensive than planes for no reason whatsoever other than greed.
I was going to add a jab at the Brits but then thought “nah, they’re going to do that themselves, much more effective that way”.
The rest of HS2 got cancelled.
Practically as an act of economic sabotage. British people hate their country and are actively trying to destroy it from within
Any non-car related spending is a “war on motorists”.
Seemingly half the country think that millionaire man-of-the-people Nigel Farage will be the one to lead us to the sunlit uplands, and the only position he’s never flip-flopped on is bringing back smoking in pubs.
We are doomed.
Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats? Seems like you’d save the same amount of space or more with vastly more comfort.
The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.
Would you rather die in your sleep? Or with your balls crushed?
I hate to burst your bubble but almost no air disasters happen instantaneously. It takes many minutes to fall out of the sky. Also most air disasters still involve a mostly-controlled descent.
And that’s what you’re waking me for?
Another emergency door can’t be that expensive
Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that’s how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don’t want to do that laying down. It’s a lose lose for the airline.
I would pay a premium ticket price to get a lay down seat at the back of the plane and have no food service in that zone. That gets rid of the food sales loss, for which I have never paid for anyway, as I’d be paying a higher ticket price. I guess at that point there is still a concern regarding a mess, since I can bring my own snacks, but it’s not like I would be getting some memory foam mattress with Egyptian cotton sheets with the way airlines would implement this anyway. I’d get a long
pleathervinyl cushion with maybe a standard pillow.It would be worse than what I got in the Navy, slightly, but still better than any shit airplane seat I’ve sat in.
There is already a premium ticket price for lay down seats on large commercial passenger jets. Many of those first class seats go all the way down.
I’ve been on enough planes to believe 2 minutes of evacuation time will see 5% evacuated and 95% trampled before the fiery inferno.
Remarkably, it has happened. People suddenly decide to pay attention to authority when they’re in a terrifying situation they’ve never experienced.
What I’ve chosen to glean from this is that I should inflict varied and new terrors upon coworkers to help keep us on track.
excellent, the boss will be proud of the new performance numbers, therapy will no longer be covered by insurance to improve the sense of dread.
Pop me out the side with compressed air like a decoy flare
“Missile inbound. Deploying passengers.”
New ultra economy just dropped. Cheap prices, but when Russian SAMs lock on, you are now chaff.
In the contract: obligation to flail your arms and legs widely for maximum distraction.
Just lean it forward and have everyone slide down and out of the emergency slide.
Why don’t they do lay-down-only seats?
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
But it’s all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don’t fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry’s fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You’ll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.
The FAA’s goal of zero air disasters will feel like a luxury in the future.
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
Wouldn’t the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?
If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn’t be as physically demanding as standing up.
Oh well.
Sounds like something we’ll have to pay extra for. Better not have a disability.
Hmm…
Well that’s one thing I can’t really complain about in Finland, access to physically disabled people. Its honestly pretty great, it’s been in the infra-design and all design mentality for decades.
Anywhere there is public access, you’ll probably also find disabled access.
Like just today, I felt a little bit proud, as I spotted an outhouse built to specifications allowing wheelchair access.
We aren’t the utopia people seem to think we are, but if you’re in a wheelchair, you’ll still get access to nice nature paths on which to be depressed on. So that’s nice.
!remindme 10 years
People too fat
Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don’t want a fat shame But I definitely don’t want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don’t necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I’m a little chunky. I’m a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don’t have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.
So we’ll have them stand for hours instead?
The next step is to add a treadmill under everyone.
Instead of oxygen masks, the ceiling drops down a cupcake on a string.
This is more leaning than standing. Even a fat fuck can lean for a while
Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don’t they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room… Just give them diapers! /S
An additional $25 Diaper Convenience Fee has been automatically added to your total.
Honestly, that may actually be more comfortable for me than trying to fold my legs into the tiny rows they have now.
I am super torn here because pre-back-surgery me looks at these and says “the NERVE of these fuckers” and post-back-surgery me is like “Well that WOULD be nice yes”
