Horrified by the recent murder of Kawthar al-Husayjawi, one of her female relatives describes what happened – and her fears for other women and girls forced into early marriage in Iraq
While I can’t speak for the female perspective personally, nor can I pretend to speak for all men, I find the perspective you are presenting to be quite the generalization. There’s a reason people were outraged about Trump’s “locker room talk” excuse for his remark about “grabbing women by the pussy”, it’s certainly not the societal standard for men to become misogynistic molesters when they are in a safe space.
You are confusing media outrage with actual outrage. Even the media outrage wasn’t all that significant really. Billy bush was only out of work for a few years before he got a new hosting gig.
There’s a reason people were outraged about Trump’s “locker room talk” excuse for his remark about “grabbing women by the pussy”, it’s certainly not the societal standard for men to become misogynistic molesters when they are in a safe space.
I mean… It does seem at least half the voters in American society were not that upset by it.
Edit: Whoops responded to the wrong part of the thread.
You are confusing media outrage with actual outrage. Even the media outrage wasn’t all that significant really. Billy bush was only out of work for a few years before he got a new hosting gig.
If we assume that everyone who voted Trump in the 2016 elections were either okay with this or not offended enough not to vote for him, that percentage is actually more like 25-26% (He got about 63m votes in 2016 out of a voting eligible population of 243m). Still way too high if you ask me, but at least it’s not that bleak.
He got about 63m votes in 2016 out of a voting eligible population of 243m). Still way too high if you ask me, but at least it’s not that bleak.
One would hope that the people who abstained from voting or are ineligible would be against that type of behaviour as well, but judging on how America is doing now a days i wouldn’t put money on it.
That’s an optimistic take. There are a great many reasons people didn’t vote, and it’s false on its face that they all stayed home because they didn’t condone his disgusting views on women. It’s not statistically unreasonable to assume the ratio of people who tolerate or even endorse Trump level misogyny extends equally through the non-voting population.
If we’re going to be part of the solution, we at least need to acknowledge the scale of the problem. There’s a gut reaction to want to assume the best, if only because the alternative is depressing and isolating, but not wanting to believe it’s that bad doesn’t make it wrong.
I agree with you, but it’s just as incorrect to point at the near 50% support he got in the 2016 elections from the voting public and draw conclusions regarding the popularity of misogyny based on that number alone too.
Is it? There’s a lot of indicators suggesting it’s pretty close to accurate, that’s just one of many. Especially among young men, the abject hatred of women is soaring, and that attitude didn’t come from nowhere.
That attitude is being pushed by social media influencers, who are in turn (proven to be) on the payroll of the folks who want to return to a feudal misogynistic society. It’s not an organic belief.
Does it matter if it’s an organic belief? By that logic I could say that believing in God isn’t an organic belief, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a church on every corner in some towns.
Whether it’s organic or not is immaterial. We can’t turn off the propaganda fire-hose, and once people identify with it, deprogramming people from it becomes a generational effort. It’s a bit like the gender wage gap, knowing what the systemic factors are that cause it doesn’t mean it’s not real, that’s just identifying the root of the problem.
I ,itterally said generally in the text. Of course it was a generalization. But try reading any parenting group. Women are constantly talking how they are expected to cover multiple roles just like the ones I mentioned. It’s not really any kind of revelation honestly. It was just background for the final assertions.
While I can’t speak for the female perspective personally, nor can I pretend to speak for all men, I find the perspective you are presenting to be quite the generalization. There’s a reason people were outraged about Trump’s “locker room talk” excuse for his remark about “grabbing women by the pussy”, it’s certainly not the societal standard for men to become misogynistic molesters when they are in a safe space.
You are confusing media outrage with actual outrage. Even the media outrage wasn’t all that significant really. Billy bush was only out of work for a few years before he got a new hosting gig.
I mean… It does seem at least half the voters in American society were not that upset by it.
Edit: Whoops responded to the wrong part of the thread.
You are confusing media outrage with actual outrage. Even the media outrage wasn’t all that significant really. Billy bush was only out of work for a few years before he got a new hosting gig.
Are you messaging the right person? I was saying that a ton of people really didn’t care about Trump’s misogyny.
Yeah, my bad, I was aiming for who you responded to.
If we assume that everyone who voted Trump in the 2016 elections were either okay with this or not offended enough not to vote for him, that percentage is actually more like 25-26% (He got about 63m votes in 2016 out of a voting eligible population of 243m). Still way too high if you ask me, but at least it’s not that bleak.
One would hope that the people who abstained from voting or are ineligible would be against that type of behaviour as well, but judging on how America is doing now a days i wouldn’t put money on it.
That’s an optimistic take. There are a great many reasons people didn’t vote, and it’s false on its face that they all stayed home because they didn’t condone his disgusting views on women. It’s not statistically unreasonable to assume the ratio of people who tolerate or even endorse Trump level misogyny extends equally through the non-voting population.
If we’re going to be part of the solution, we at least need to acknowledge the scale of the problem. There’s a gut reaction to want to assume the best, if only because the alternative is depressing and isolating, but not wanting to believe it’s that bad doesn’t make it wrong.
I agree with you, but it’s just as incorrect to point at the near 50% support he got in the 2016 elections from the voting public and draw conclusions regarding the popularity of misogyny based on that number alone too.
Is it? There’s a lot of indicators suggesting it’s pretty close to accurate, that’s just one of many. Especially among young men, the abject hatred of women is soaring, and that attitude didn’t come from nowhere.
That attitude is being pushed by social media influencers, who are in turn (proven to be) on the payroll of the folks who want to return to a feudal misogynistic society. It’s not an organic belief.
Does it matter if it’s an organic belief? By that logic I could say that believing in God isn’t an organic belief, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a church on every corner in some towns.
Whether it’s organic or not is immaterial. We can’t turn off the propaganda fire-hose, and once people identify with it, deprogramming people from it becomes a generational effort. It’s a bit like the gender wage gap, knowing what the systemic factors are that cause it doesn’t mean it’s not real, that’s just identifying the root of the problem.
I ,itterally said generally in the text. Of course it was a generalization. But try reading any parenting group. Women are constantly talking how they are expected to cover multiple roles just like the ones I mentioned. It’s not really any kind of revelation honestly. It was just background for the final assertions.