• Matty Roses@lemmy.today
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    8 hours ago

    Why does Europe want to ally with Ukraine? That will cause the conflict with Russia that you’re presumably saying we need defense against.

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      8 hours ago

      cause conflict with Russia

      Are you talking about a new conflict and not the current literal invasion? Because they kinda already crossed that bridge. Then it got blown up like 2 or 3 times.

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      8 hours ago

      Europe includes Ukraine, and they are already allies, just without a mutual defense agreement.

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            5 hours ago

            “Europe” is not a signatory to the Budapest memorandum. Neither is NATO, nor the EU. So how this applies to “Europe”, which is what the conversation you’re responding to is about, is a mystery at best.

            The UK and US are signatories. NATO is not. Considering that NATO willfully violated the UN Charter (which the Budapest memorandum rests upon) by bombing Yugoslavia in 1999, as well as later actions, it’s a pretty selective to claim that that is applicable.