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    I feel like the days of pearl clutching over profanity are on their way out. There is always a time and a place for it, but I grew up hearing “fuck” come out of my drunken relatives every other word. My parents didn’t say it, and they didn’t let me say it, but the only real weight the word ever had was that it was cool and exclusive to adults.

    One of the biggest culture shocks I had when moving from the US to Canada was how much more laid back everyone is up here over profanity in general. Almost everyone uses it, very few people (save for maybe the elderly) get uppity when they hear it, and I’ve heard it used freely on FM radio many times. I still think it’s trashy to fly a FUCK TRUDEAU flag or decal on your car for everyone to see, but nobodies up here clutching pearls. They just think you’re a dick.

    Not sure why it’s still such a big deal in many parts of the US.

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      What’s interesting is, traditionally in language, once forbidden words got ran out, there were still other bad words left to enter the lexicon. “Damn” used to be a genuine curse. My grandfather survived WWII and proudly told be people of all the bombs he dropped, he never dropped the F-bomb.

      What’s next? There’s no new forbidden words. Nothing left in the back of the store. Our ability to run through words outpaced our ability to make bad ones.

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      Words become more acceptable over time. In centuries past calling someone a devil or saying that they should go to hell would have been deeply offensive. Today these insults are so mild that even schoolchildren say them to each other. Even twenty years ago the word “fuck” was viewed with nearly as much taboo as racial slurs. Now, it’s a very common word that people will throw around in a casual context.

      Even the word n****r (means “black person”) and its non-hard-R variant are starting to lose their offensiveness. In African-American Vernacular it has taken on a variety of inoffensive meanings. It is now only offensive in certain contexts while fifty years ago it was pretty much offensive in all contents.

      At the same time, new words emerge and get labelled profane. For example, the word t****y (means “transgender”) would not have meant anything twenty years ago, and now it’s one of the most offensive words in the English dictionary. Similar story with the word f****t (means “homosexual”).

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    A couple of nights ago I was in the car with my 8 year old daughter and Killing In The Name Of by Rage Against the Machine came on… my instinct was to skip to the next song, but then I thought “No, this is a song she needs to hear” because if she has questions she knows that she can ask.

    A couple of songs later, it was Closer by NIN… I immediately skipped to the next song.

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      Hahaha, now next time you tell her to clean her room or something, she’ll say “fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me!”

      Seriously, though, I think you made the right choice. Good on you, and it sounds like you’ve got good music tastes!

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      My kid doesn’t speak English, he is 5 (and Dutch), one day in the car I was playing “Pennywise - Fuck authority”. He said that the man said fuck. Even if you’re 5 and don’t speak English you understand that the word fuck is a swearword.

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      Dad, is it true that "Those who work forces are the same who burn crosses?

      And why would he “just kill a man?”

      ?

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    Being a pirate means taking from assholes who do not deserve it. If you take from anyone you’re an asshole yourself.

    I pirate AAA games because they do not deserve my money, as the poor gameplay vallue doesn’t exceed 2 hours. I pay for indie games because they deliver, it’s worth my money.

    I used to be in the navy, went on deployment to Somalia several times to hunt pirates. I deeply regret it. Because althoug they have no choice and do what they do because of what us western countries did to them, they do horrible things to others who do not deserve it. But in the end we as a rich western society are the cause for their despair. So we are responsible for what they are forced to do to others. I ended up with PTSD.

    You can be a pirate with principles. Especially when mega corps and billionaires are forcing society into submission, forcing people to work to just to survive and/or force people to be someone they are not.

    Fight the oppression. Piracy isn’t a crime, it’s symptom of a crime. Also, these days you do not own the media you purchase. It’s not theft when you steal something which you cannot own it when you purchase it.

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      You can be a pirate with principles.

      On the topic, what was the reasoning of the Houthis attacks on the red sea shipping lanes?

      It was because they are totally crazy deranged terrorist villains from an 80s action movie right?..or like monomaniacal greed right?

      …wait hold on… checks notes … are we the badies?

      shakes cobwebs out of head

      Wait no, that can’t be right if we were the badies it would be bad like really bad after all the shit we have done claiming we were righteous about it… like oh no, no no no no I am gonna just stop thinking about it ok?

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        I wasn’t there during those attacks, I left service a while ago, I wa only there because of the Somali pirates.

        Things aren’t black and white. There are no good sides, only different grades of bad when it comes to armed conflict in the middle east. People are driven to extremism due to oppression, hunger, misery, etc and become bad themselves by disbanding human dignity. Who is to blame?

        I know I do not stand for fighting pirates in Somalia. Although I got PTSD due to what I saw them doing, which head horrible. The whole situation is fucked up, it’s not onto me to judge or intervene. We as the west are partially responsible, I don’t see fighting the problems we created with violence as a solution, only as fighting symptoms without focusing on the cause.

        The Houthis attacks are also a product of a greater problem. Yemen is a giant mess for many years with countless victims. We don’t care so just leave everyone to deal with it themselves. We only start to care when it harms our trade routes. And we don’t help Yemen and it’s people to solve their war, we fight a symptom so our trade routes are secure.

        It’s the dame with piracy in general. There’s piracy all over the world. The Somali pirates are mild compared to others, like on the African west coast or near Indonesia. But we only care about piracy when it harms us, like our trade routes.

        You become super rich at a cost. Not by honesty. There are always others who suffer. We, the rich west (EU, Brittain, US, but also Russia, India, China etc.) enjoy enormous amounts of luxury, but developing countries are paying the cost for that.

        We claim we have morals and are more civilized than others. We condemn Russia for their war crimes everywhere for example. Yet we show we are just as bad by supporting the worst war crimes of this century (by far) by continuing to support Israel.

        I rolled into service due to a financial crisis and my own issues (autism, never recognized so never finished school, kicked out by my parents, nearly ended up on the streets because I couldn’t get work, so I enlisted) and becasue I couldn’t handle change that well (autism) I stayed and supported a system I oppose.

        I now know better and fight for human rights, against mega corps, for LGBTQAI+ rights, against fascism, racism, nazism and against fake news and propaganda (and anything that goes against my believes). It kills me, as I feel helpless but doing nothing kills me even more.

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      (Software) Piracy is not theft, by definition. Theft requries an intent to deprive, and copyright infringement does not deprive. Theft is a crime, copyright infringement is a civil offense (aside from the criminal version that now exists thanks to extensive lobbying by predatory rights holder organisations, but that has a slightly higher bar and is meant only for commercial pirates who profit).

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    Unpopular opinion: profanity is massively overhyped and people that excessively swear tend to irk me. There are so many ways to passionately express emotion, at least in the English language, yet so many are fascinated with only a few. The word “fuck” in particular loses all gravitas after hearing it 150 times a day for most of my life. I’ve had to stop watching certain shows because swearing felt so excessively forced to perhaps come across as edgy, and it broke all immersion for me.

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      That’s a popular opinion. I agree though, if you’re going to swear, make it count. Bonus points for creativity, you fucking festering anal fistula

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      Yeah the only environment it seems to fit is the military which sort of makes sense for how often you get smoked long before you ever see combat or even just active duty.

      And even then most military people have a cleaned up citizen dictionary for whenever they’re not with their buddies.

      Anything outside of that just seems excessive and vulgar for no apparent gain or reason. Even funny and wildly profane comments online don’t use expletives as much as some people do IRL.

      There has to be wordplay and emphasis to make it justied (or funny like the gorilla warfare copypasta), otherwise it just comes of the same as ending every single sentence or phrase with “lol”.

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        This phenomenon is particularly strong in people who do not use such words on a regular basis

        But you have to keep it for the bad day

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    I was just upvoting while noticing the insane upvote count. Very good to see so many like-minded people. Also fuck those who downvoted.

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    True and fantastic (especially if your community/family are/were hateful bigots!), but one should still strive not to be a potty-mouth. It’s crude and unbecoming, idk, at least to me. It’s the equivalent of being a bit stinky (or very, depending on how much one swears) IMO: sure, it might not be immoral, whatever, but you could make the smallest of efforts and not offend my senses… 🤷

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    The post suggests that profanity is harmless because it is not as destructive as slurs or dehumanizing language. That comparison is flawed. Swearing may not carry the same moral weight as racism or bigotry, but that does not make it “good.” An act being less wrong than another does not make it right. Killing in self-defense is not celebrated as morally pure, it is tolerated as the lesser evil in a tragic circumstance. Likewise, profanity may be tolerated as less harmful than hatred, but it still coarsens language and weakens self-discipline. To hold children to a higher standard, one should avoid both the greater and the lesser corruptions of speech.

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      What is the real difference between 'fuck" and ‘frak’? Or ‘god damn’ and ‘gosh darn’. They mean the exact same thing but one is bad and one is fine? That’s just dumb.

      We don’t censor our kids except by situation. They can swear at home but not at school, for example. But that’s mostly because of how general society perceives swear words and not the words themselves.

      Words are given power through meaning. We teach our kids about meaning. And words to hurt others are not allowed. Saying fuck is fine but calling someone a fucker is not. But we don’t allow them to call someone stupid, either.

      Racist/dehumanizing words have power through meaning, not really the words themselves. The words just end up changing because those racists still want to convey what they mean. Teach people to be better about the meaning of what they say, not the specific words they use.

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        The best way to teach not only kids but pretty much anyone is through example. I don’t forbid my kids from swearing but I don’t swear in front of them.

        I teach them there is a time and place for every word.

        But saying “I swear in front of my kids but I’m not a racist” is just lazy. It’s basically saying “I’m just ok at what at I do because I’m kinda selfish”

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          So it’s ok for your kids to use the words but you just don’t swear in front of them? Isn’t that just being a passive parent?

          We don’t judge other parents for the choices they make, and in fact we teach our kids to not swear in front of other kids. But that’s no different then speech used with friends and speech used in a professional setting. Everyone adjusts their speech by setting.

          We do teach not just by example but by also making sure they understand the meaning they are trying to convey. For ALL words. The difference between the meaning of racist words and non-disparaging swear words is an ocean. Swear words are really just regular words while racist words are meant to hurt someone. We don’t allow any words that are meant to hurt, no matter what that word actually is.

          To me using frak, heck, gosh, darn, etc is the exact same as the equivalent swear words.

          Allowing swears also takes away their taboo nature. My wife’s nephew was brought up the same way and was the only one in his friend group to NOT get in trouble for swearing at school. He knew the time and place.

          To me, teaching to base language on the meaning and not word itself is the opposite of lazy.

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            I don’t teach them that it’s ok to use bad words. I teach them there is a time and place for everything.

            Which just does back to my original point. Killing in the name of self defense isn’t ok but acceptable.

            Ok and accepted are two different things. The fact that you haven’t caught on to that and the fact that the producer of that meme thinks he’s a good person for simply not being a racist bigot isn’t the hot take you think it is.

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        It isn’t and you know it. I doubt very much they you go out of your way to swear in front of kids… Do you?

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          I don’t go out of my wayto swear, or to not swear… I don’t talk about sexual stuff, but swearing is not something I would hide.