Sudden moment my profile picture is relevant!

Windows “just works”

Honestly, I cannot understand, who can tolerate Windows 11. It does not even work! Constant bugs, eats memory like a hog, have to uninstall programs when updates itself (so constantly), because automatic re-installs. Every time you reboot, you have to kill several unnecessary background processes it automatically starts, or everything works even more like in tar. On my Surface Pro (Microslop made! Their own product!) the task bar never worked properly, every time there was an update to fix something, something else stopped working. Even the damn desktop broke few times, with random updates. It is a vibe coded piece of garbage.

I have everything I cannot switch to Linux, on Windows 10 - at least that still works. Windows 11 cannot even fill that bare minimum.

Well, my country’s legislative bunch has already said, that mass surveilance is against our constitution. I doubt Finland is the only country in EU to have that, so even if it passes fully, it is going to have some big hurdles ahead.

Yes… at what point do you stop blocking the single posters, but block the community instead? And at what point do you stop blocking the communities, and block the whole instance? We all draw those lines differently, but it is definitely not easy, when you also want to interact with the people thinking differently, but also in good faith. And how to spot those people, from the mass of bots, propagandists, trolls, and useful idiots… And not end up wasting that time, or unintentionally boosting their message.

Though, for me the last line absolutely is drawn in the genocide-denialism, as for example defending Chinas “assimilation”, is just wording genocide to sound palatable. If the moderators of a community accept it, and other users upvote it, it goes into the “sitting at the table with nazis”-metaphora, for me. It really is very important, to hear other viewpoints, to avoid the echo chamber, but I also refuse to become a part of the crowd even just accepting the approval or defending of attrocities from the sidelines. Some people of course do find something worthwhile in reading, or even taking opposing part in even the worst discussions as well, but I just get unhinged and extremely angry, and that is not a good thing to expose yourself to all the time. Especially, when I seek the mentioned fun here, be it memes, or meaningful discussions (like this one), as I already get my dose of Awful, from following the news from multiple sources.

It is tough choices, I agree. I usually block only communities and users, but I have blocked some instances, that pop out as constantly bringing annoying posts on my feed. Personally I have very low tolerance for tankie propaganda, but on the other hand I also hate the Usaian discourse dominating everything, and try to block the communities having only USA-centric news and political debates. I guess we all just have to choose, for what reasons we interact with platforms, like these. I do it for fun, and that means I am “trigger-happy” when blocking - you might be seeking something else.

But yes, that I think arguing with tankies and the like, ends up being practically pointless, or even harmful. A lot of them seem to be just "Winnie the Pooh"s propagandists, so they are not interacting in good faith. They will just gishgallop with walls of texts, to exhaust you, and interacting with them just allows them to get more visibility, and spread their propaganda even further. The same applies to other propagandists too, but on Lemmy I have mostly seen just “tankies” doing it for China and Russia.

Sadly this also means, that if they post heavily on some instances, that could have some good purposes (like the anarchist ones), in the end interacting with those just gives them more visibility as well. You can also easily spot, when you hit the nail in the head and found them, when you criticize Russia or China, and get a lot of downvotes. I know many people think, it is good to see the opposite opinions, and I agree. But when there is so much bad faith actors around, in the end, it is going to affect you negatively, in one way or another.

Edit to add after I saw the last line of your comment (did you add it late? does Lemmy support ninja-edits like Reddit?):

I did not add it, but Lemmy allows “ninja-edits” for few minutes after posting, I think. I personally aim to mark, when I edit the comments, so people do not have to guess what changed.

There are a lot of tankies on Lemmy. If you do not like to interact with them, you can make your user experience a lot better, if you block the instances, where you see tankie comments, or posts, heavily upvoted. They sometimes comment on random places, so it is impossible to avoid completely, but at least then, their comments denying Uighur genocide and that kind, are usually argued against.

Luckily I know at least some philosophical basics, so I do think I understand your talking points. (And essentially Descartes’ cogito ergo sum, lead me on this extreme path of epistemological masochism.)

Infinity is actually a very good example I think, that shows us we are perceiving something weirdly. There exist no measurable, conrete infinity in the physical universe, as far as we know; even the space itself has its limits. Yet we understand the concept of infinity, so it exists in some form, in the reality we are perceiving. But then, we can have infinities that are bigger and smaller than each other… the way we are perceiving this is quite paradoxal! Or, at least it appears to us as such.

And be love now, really is a wonderful line of thinking. I fully agree, that it really does not matter, what is the Real Truth or if it exists at all, since all we have is ourselves, right now. If we all focused more on loving and less on all the bad shit, our human realities would definitely improve in multiple ways… but we are flawed beings, so sometimes we can only try… the path towards Good is a difficult one, that I also often struggle with.

Oh yes, I cannot claim I am in any way an expert on antinatalism, nor do I follow their ideology (I mean, I cannot have children, so I guess I technically do…?). I just take their side against efilism, as the latter can be extremely harmless, and I would rather have the still life-respecting antinatalists dominate the discussions about the subjects in question, than let edgy anti-lifers, to gain more visibility and support.

I also appreciate your views, it is an interesting perspective to hear. Would you classify it as panpsycism, or does that focus too much on the consciousness part, in comparison?
I lean more towards just the weird metaphysical ideas, and coil that way to that another side of nihilistic views, where I just do not trust human perception of reality. Everything that exists to us, might be completely flawed, and what we perceive as absolute truths or assign as existing things and concepts (like math, or the concept of a mindl), might not be anything else than our delusions - we are unable to know, anyway. This of course leads to all the problems of impossibility of real knowledge and all that, but as we cannot exist outside our own perceived realities - be it separate beings, or all just one - we are just forced to live in that uncertainty. Everything that exists might be just physical things, our thoughts nothing but electric impulses, and we are just having the perception of them being something else… or maybe that is just delusion as well, too, and we just cannot comprehend what form of existence the reality is, as to us it, is how it is. This way nothing really matters, or more like mattering itself is just a human concept - yet everything inside human perspection still matters, to us.

I think it is actually important to draw the distinction between antinatalism and efilisim. Antinatalisim at its core has the strong idea of how an individual should be able to choose for themselves. That is their whole justification for the thought, that they do not want to have kids, since the kids cannot choose that for themselves. That high value being assigned to personal choice, then, is in direct opposition with the dark goal, where the efilist ideology on the other hand seems to almost unavoidably lead: the idea, that everything should die, and that it should be helped to happen.

Personally I am probably a bit too nihilistic, and perceive, that we humans just tend to assign too much value on thoughts, that only exist in the human experience of reality. Antinatalism sounds like a valid ideology, if you care the most about individual’s right to choose for themself. But there are other things, that people might value more, depending on what they care about.

Oh yes, sadly we have been on a crash course for a long while now, and I do not believe we will correct it either. We should obviously not stop trying, but personally I lost hope, when people around me did not care at all, when I learned about the climate change in the early 2000s, and got really into protecting the environment and all. But I do find some solace in the thought, that life continues, even when we do not.

I don’t actually believe life will cease completely.

I saw some documentary thing, that claimed, that even if a huge asteroid glassed the whole planet, the heat would not be able to reach deep enough, for long enough, to kill all the microbes. So life itself may not die, until this planet is swallowed by the expanding sun. If that makes it feel any better.

You are probably confusing antinatalists and efilists. The antinatalism movement is about not having children, because they perceive it as immoral, as the kids cannot choose being born, and being alive means you are doomed to suffer. That position does not necessarily take stances on what you should do, when you are already alive; that requires some other ideological standpoints. Efilists on the other hand, are the edgy (and dangerous) ones, that think everything would be better as dead.

No, put them all in a pile, and then assign them randomly to each country. Then everyone will be equally, extremely confused.

No, they are not usually written, except people sometimes doing it casually in social media, but because our lettering system is almost fully phonetic, it is very easy to write and read them if you just speak finnish. Also if you are native speaker, you kind of learn the certain fluidity in the core of the language, so you can pretty much understand the words, even if they vary a lot (except people from Rauma, nobody understands them).

I really thought it would have been cracked by AI, because it can translate finnish pretty accurately (not always…) and if you can do that, dialects aren’t hard at all, but I was surprised to find that it still cannot! I am assuming it really is, just because there are not enough written sources to teach from.

//Oh, and as a summary my main points were, that AI most definitely has not “solved” learning and translating languages, as it yet cannot even translate a lot of things, and I guess also, that you cannot trust AI translations, if the text translated is some obscure language you do not know. They can sound convincing and form coherent sentences, but the meaning can be fully incorrect.

I was just at a networking/research technology conference in Helsinki (TNC26) where the topic of nordic languages— especially minority ones—being under-represented by current automated transcription/translation tools came up in one of the side talks I attended. There’s some effort by various European NRENs and universities to train models on these languages so those tools can be more widely available to students, academics, and the public. The talk was about “Scribe” by SUNET (Swedish Research Network) hosting whisper models for this purpose.

That should be especially good for things like the multiple sapmi languages! At least in finnish you can already write in the proper “book language” and get pretty accurate translations, even though the dialects still escape that.

Also, Finnish is fucking hard lol. I can usually pick up a bit of language wherever I travel, basic phrases usually. But DAMN trying to nail the epiglottal sounds of even “Hyvää yötä” threw me!

It is usually especially hard to learn for indo-european speakers, so it is not just you struggling! Haha :)

Actually lets break it down, so it is clearer what the accuracy was. I will not talk about the mistranslations, though.

• I have come to the same conclusion as the previous poster. DeepL identifies correctly I agree with them, but fails to pick up the nuance of it. Pretty good.

• I am indirectly taking part in mocking techbros for thinking AI has solved language learning. This is referencing the previous post, so DeepL could not know that without context. It somewhat picks up I am saying AI-stuff has not solved anything.

• It correctly picks up I learned something about language yesterday and that someone fails at it, but it fails to identify I am talking specifically about dialects and fails to clearly convey it is AI that fails. It translates correctly I mistakenly thought the previous thing was true.

• I am saying AI could not properly answer to talking in dialect, referencing indirectly I am talking in dialect in the message. DeepL picks up that I am saying something is failing, but does not convey anything else correctly.

• I’m telling Google was the worst at translating, and that I found that hilarious. DeepL fully fails to translate the meaning, but translates the word “shit” acceptably, and conveys correctly something is funny.

  So what was lost in translation?

• Talking in dialect, and AI failing to translate dialects properly - Core part of the message, so really bad, that it was about dialects, was not conveyed.

• I am laughing at Googles translation abilities being the worst - Fails to convey this completely. Not a core part of the message, but still relatively important information.

• Nuance about thinking before agreeing - Leaving that out does not matter in casual conversation. If this was translation for a more “proper” thing, this could be bad though.

• Mocking techbros - This required context that wasn’t offered.

Yes.

Yeah I’ve been thinking the same. The greatest thing about these is that those algorithms and whatnot haven’t really even solved anything. Just yesterday I learned that fake/artificial-smarts can’t even translate dialects correctly, even though I thought they could. If you talk something like this for a bit they weren’t really able to answer that! Google especially was giving out complete shit, but it was pretty funny to read and laugh.

If it was unclear, the point is: pick a random finn from the street and they can translate that pretty much from word to word, even if they are from a complete different dialect speaking area, whereas even at best AI could give you only something towards it. I can only use obscure things, like this as an example, as I do not speak that many other languages, but if the languages do not have much written record online, they are not going to be properly translatable. We are still surprisingly far from not needing human translators.

//And yes, Google was hilariously shit. I managed to make couple normal sentences, without even trying, that it just gave up completely and did not translate at all, only removed some random letters.

I absolutely despise morons who smugly pronounce language learning and translation work “solved”

Juu sammoo miäkkii uonny uatelna. Kaekkee hienoenta tämmöttiissä uonku eip nuo alakoritmit ja semmottet oekkeest uo mittee ees ratkassukkaa. Miä eilispäevänä justiinsa opinni etteep tekoviksut ossoo ees kunnolla murutehia kientöö, vaek kyl miä nii luulinni juu. Tämmöttii kup vähäsennii huastelloopi ni eip hyö siihe oekkee mittee osannukkaa virikata! Kuukkels tuo etteenki se suols aenaki iha pelekköö paskoo, ol ihap hauskoo kyl lukkoo ja naaraa.

Yes, tankies, please pack your belongings right now, and move to your dreamy wonderland. It is great there! Travel today!

And pacifism can only really exist, when you are capable of defending yourself, otherwise you are just at the mercy of your enemies.