no iPhones were bought in 2005

there is no way to prove or disprove this claim. it’s pure storytelling.

oh. I thought the discussion was about meat

If people are buying less, they’re going to produce less

that has never happened and there is no reason to believe it would

69% of all soybeans are specifically produced to be turned into high-protein processed animal feed

no. 85% are pressed for oil, and the waste product is 69% of the soybean crop. that is fed to animals.

so humans aren’t natural?

If you truly care about the suffering of all the field mice and bugs

they’re saying they don’t and neither does anyone else. it’s a silly concern: animals die, and humans eat animals.

a soybean is about 20% oil. about 85% of all soybeans are pressed for oil, that leaves about 69% of the total soybean crop as industrial waste if it’s not fed to animals. another 7% is fed directly to livestock. only 7% of all soybeans are grown for animals.

Which one is natural

both. unless you think humans are supernatural.

In a few centuries, humans will look at today’s animal explotation the same way we look at cannibalism and slavery.

some already do, but most people who have heard this argument are not convinced of it, so I doubt this is how things will turn out

ban animal murder

no such thing.

On an individual level, removing meat from the diet would be beneficial to offset those who aren’t reducing.

maybe it would be if the industry changed it’s production based on consumption. I don’t think that happens though

if I grow a plant like corn, and I eat the kernels, and feed the cobs, stalk and ruffage to a cow, only one plant is harmed.

there is no proof plants want anything

much of what animals eat are parts of plants people can’t or won’t eat. I don’t actually believe any fewer plants would be harmed if people were vegan.

still not convinced

far fewer plants would be killed if everyone was vegan.

I doubt this

beer usually has grain. it’s reasonable to demand the mash bill.

no.

have you ever seen skullxdcc.com ?