At minimum how would the heat be managed? Also as someone else said, just getting the material from the earth into orbit is currently possible but why?

It’s not that difficult anymore, gene splicing is now something that can be done at home. Probably the hardest part is getting one’s hands on the material. There was that biolab that was just busted this year in Las Vegas.

A clandestine group using a model to aid in developing a nasty disease seems like the most likely uh oh scenario right now. Either that or an accidental scenario where AI was used somewhere it shouldn’t have been.

You don’t need a deity to get decent instructions on how to make a pretty nasty disease in a clandestine home lab.

I’m pretty sure we’re both double tonguing these comments right now so to speak. If by chance you are being serious then I hope you were both appropriately compensated for the efforts and ultimately that the work was worthwhile. The innuendos seem endless.

You are choosing to volunteer, that’s cool inside any system. Imagine putting in 100 hour work weeks, developing a product like the blue LED or lithium ion battery thus creating billions upon billions of dollars of revenue and you don’t even get a pizza party or a Friday off. You get the same base pay and your family gets no benefit no matter how hard you work so may as well not create any value and just do the minimum beyond what you’re impassioned to do for free like volunteering.

Also sidebar I am so awfully tempted to make a joke about double tonguing the sax. Like a sax on the beach type joke.

Not really though. Under capitalism people are free to quit their job, and go start a company to test their idea and develop their own IP. The vast majority of founders worked for someone else Nvidia is a good example currently. Jensen Huang worked for AMD, Chris Malachowsky worked for HP, Curtis Priem worked for IBM. They had an idea, they quit their jobs and profited directly off their IP. Under a pure socialist system would you be able to quit your job? Who would you get capital from to test an idea? Also if it worked you wouldn’t get any profits from it, not even a pizza party or a Friday off even after producing billions of dollars in value. There would be zero incentive to doing anything but the absolute minimum because the compensation would be exactly the same if you did or if you didn’t. Why put in 100hr+ weeks of labor for nothing? No matter how hard you worked you and your family wouldn’t get anything, your children would be treated the same as the children of a man who put in the absolute bare minimum.

I’m cool with socializing a lot of things but we need to compensate people proportionally to the quality and quantity of value they produce.

Please don’t just downvote this. I’m open to discussion and to standing corrected. If you want to downvote then downvote with a worthwhile counter to the point at hand.

It’s funny to watch people catch up with what’s been happening for years and what was foreseeable at least since 2020. The moment I saw an early version of chatGPT in 2019 I knew pretty much the whole story, although I didn’t account for the massive infrastructure build out backlash because I seriously underestimated the resource consumption.

But if they wanted to they were free to start a company and profit from their IP directly, they chose not to (assuming they didn’t personally choose to sign some perpetual non-compete of which would have still been their choice). That’s different than it being illegal to do so. No one ever got rich from working hard? I’m guessing you’re unaware of most tech founders who had an idea, left the company they were at, started their own and became wealthy. Nvidia is a good example currently. Jensen Huang worked for AMD, Chris Malachowsky worked for HP, Curtis Priem worked for IBM. They had an idea, they quit their jobs and profited directly off their IP.

This story is extremely common across so many industries. Most founders once worked for someone else, had an idea, quit, and started their own company. Imagine you just work for the government, if you have an idea well cool for you we’re not funding that and you want to quit? How about no. Oh we actually let you quit and give you funding for your idea, well your pay will never increase no matter how much value you produce or how many hours you work to bring your idea to life. You work 35 hours per week or 100, same pay. You generated 10 billion dollars of value? You don’t even get a pizza party or a short day this Friday.

I’m cool with socializing a lot of things but there needs to be a way to compensate people to some degree based on the quality and quantity of their labor. There needs to be some freedom for a person to do what they want or even take out financial risk (loans) to change what they are doing aka go to school, start a company and so on.

Edit: please don’t just downvote, actually respond with a worthwhile point. I’m more than willing to concede a debate and hopefully you are as well.

Yeah that happens a lot with the model most apps and platforms use. The venture capital today, figure out how to actually become profitable tomorrow. That transition is usually messy.

Imagine generating billions of dollars of value and you don’t even get a pizza party. Not one dime for you or your family beyond your base pay. There’s less incentive to go out of your way to produce value if it’s not going to benefit you. No reason to work hard for anything if you’ll just be paid the same either way.

I think we’re getting into different discussions. The jobs people don’t want to do wouldn’t evaporate. I mean unless you’re imagining a future where the majority of labor and menial mental effort is automated then yes I could definitely see people having the freedom to do whatever they desired. As of now though there are a lot of jobs that people would not want to do if there was no personal benefit in it but are still wanted or needed by society.

At least in academia people who produce valuable IP get credentials, fame, a percentage of the money it produces, and of course more money dedicated to their R&D. If for instance there was no benefit in them producing that IP it would be pretty tough to justify the sometimes overbearing work it requires.

Also I agree, value isn’t appropriately compensated currently. Money as a concept has departed from value production and it ought to be corrected.

In the past value was direct, food, medicine, clothes, tools and the sort and if one produced more value they could exchange it for more value aka trade more cows for more clothes and tools. There was no real way to fake value like there is with money.

Also how do we determine what to spend resources on for R&D? It would be difficult to come up with an idea, know that it will take lots of labor and know there will be no benefit to oneself or their family vs doing the absolute bare minimum and getting more time with ones kids for the same outcome.

If someone can’t benefit personally from intellectual property then why would anyone take the time to create IP? Of course some will do it for the love of exploration but I have doubts it would be to the same degree without that carrot to chase.

Edit: imagine developing the cure for all cancer and you don’t even get a pizza party or Friday off, much less any sort of raise or financial incentive.

I used their wifi for my place without a Xfinity cable subscription but you could only connect two devices so I used my old phone as a hotspot and that worked for like up to four devices. It was like $10 per month.

You can buy sim cards from Walmart. Last time I was around I was using ultra mobile, although Walmart had their own brand (can’t remember the name). It was $40 no subscription for unlimited talk, text, and data although I think mint now has a similar plan for $30 Link there’s like a ton of these companies, just go to Walmart in the electronics area near the laptops and whatnot there’s a bunch of sum cards and esims you can get with different deals, I’m pretty sure they also sell mint mobile sim cards

When I’m back stateside I just grab one of those monthly unlimited sims for like $35 and forget about it. Dang, you could probably get away with that $10 Xfinity wifi if you have a voip number although coverage probably isn’t amazing.

I would have to check out the API for Lemmy to see how easy it would be to make a minimal terminal CLI would be to make. I hate making stuff publicly because I usually only want what I need to work, but I could make a repo and see if anyone else is interested in expanding on it.

I used to use WebKit based browsers like w3m and terminal based browsers like lynx. Also used a lot of terminal based apps for things, not really for security but because my netbooks single core atom chip sucked. I noticed though that I essentially avoided cookies, ads, and trackers by accident. I’ve been thinking of going back to a thermal based life. Now I’m wondering if there are terminal based apps for Lemmy and mastadon.