True! One is an ocean of random people with their own beliefs, reasons and personal choices. The other is an institution. An organization with a plan. A plan they wrote themselves. A plan they get detailed statistics and polling data on. A plan in which they saw what they needed to do to win and chose not to, effectively betting on anti trump sentiment to keep them from doing the thing parties in their position are supposed to do. Concede to the people and make concessions. Instead they said “status quo, steady as she goes” mid genocide, mid rent crisis, post covid and they lost that bet. No one is to blame other than the gamblers who played power politics and lost to fascists.

The people are not an organized voting block able to strategically maneuver their votes. That’s what a party is for. That’s it’s whole purpose. And the Democrats failed as a party in that election due to their inability to stop committing a genocide, to stop pandering to mid right voters via radio silence on trans issues and active abandonment of immigrants via the adoption of 2016 trump immigration policy.

I mean come the fuck on, she was talking about FINISHING THE FUCKING WALL, the thing we all agreed was the dumbest thing ever. What do you want when the party runs someone like that?

I get you people who wanna blame the leftist in your life or on the Internet you saw saying they wouldn’t be voting. I get that you blame them. But you should blame the party who thought they could win without conceding anything whatsoever to any of the marginalized groups who had no other choice. They learned that there in fact was a 3rd choice and now we all suffer the Democrats incompetence

Here’s my point of view on the situation. I voted for the Dems as a lesser of two evils but I cannot fault those who couldn’t bring themselves to do the same. In the end the Dems lost because they were more willing to risk a Donald Trump presidency than they were to stop actively committing a genocide. I blame them. I blame the party for being so willing to risk the election on an issue they knew was going to hurt because at the end of the day supporting that genocide was more important than any other outcome.

Why is it you blame random fucking people and not the party who had all that data, all that polling, all that info that continuing to support the genocide was hurting them and chose to plow forth anyways? You are blameing people who don’t want to vote for a genocide instead of the people that threw the election to continue it?

Genuinely. Man to whatever gender you are, level with me here. Do you really see the Dems as having less responsibility for losing that election than the random faceless amalgamation of leftists who couldn’t bring themselves to say yes to a genocide? Is that truly where you want to stand?

Once again. I voted for the Dems. I made that lesser evil judgement. I am saying it’s the Dems fault for losing that election.

I somewhat agree, as I did in fact vote for the dems myself. Lesser of two evils is a valid arguement. However alot of these people are not making that arguement. And even as a lesser of two evil situation, i cannot fault those who’s morals prevent them from choosing any evil, especially one as large as genocide. But once again, that is unfortunately not the conversation alot of people take this in, Instead I’m arguing with people who are talking about “fixing their own back yard first” or “saving their ship”.

But at the end of the day, I cannot blame the people who didn’t vote. I cannot find fault with people who morally could not bring themselves to make that lesser evil argument to themselves and instead, ultimately, the fault lies with the left most party refusing to drop their genocidal bloodlust and instead chose to stand on it and lost for it. They make the plans, they make the campaign, and they blew it. Case closed.

Complicated nuances of how to continue a genocide. Very adult. Much old. So old the brain rotted and turned grey and ghoulish

Violent doesn’t mean dangerous. Just means violent. A cat is violent. A cat is not dangerous.

Personally, I voted for the lesser of two evils in Harris. But now that it’s over I cannot blame anyone who couldn’t bring themselves to debase their morals for their own personal salvation.

What I find so fucking frustrating is that now the Dems have been shown they cannot stand on genocide and still win and instead of that legendary pressure your talking about, instead we get people blaming Dems for being too woke and attacking anti genocide folks for not playing ball.

AT THE END OF THE FUCKING DAY, THE ONES COMMITTING GENOCIDE ARE TO BLAME. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Violent fucker exposes his violence for the world to see.

No, your not bombing anyone. That’s why it’s so fucking weird how you are defending the people who are like your own fucking life depended on it. Do you get that?

Save our ship? How can you be like “oh yeah let’s save our ship guys. Oh you want to stop firing the fucking cannons? No can do chief, we are too busy bailing this water out of the ship first”.

NOT DOING A GENOCIDE IS STEP FUCKING ONE OF FIXING OUR SHIT. YOU CANT START FIXING YOUR SHIT WHEN YOU ARE COMMITTING A GENOCIDE.

Mf out here saying to keep the fucking Holocaust going while Nazi Germany reforms itself.

Cool cool, hey before we start on our own back yard can we stop fucking up the neighbors back yard? I feel like before we can start saving ourselves we need to stop actively killing others.

WE AINT SAVING ANYONE EXCEPT FOR SAVING THEM FROM OURSELVES. YOUR ANALOGY IS BUSTED.

Buddy. Why are you so bothered by a guy not wanting to support a genocide? You draw the line when it’s you on that line. Meanwhile the leftist drew it at genocide. Maybe ask yourself why your line wasn’t fucking genocide.

Ask yourself why you are so selfish that fascism and ethnic cleansing wasn’t a good enough reason for you to step back and go “oh shit” until it was people directly around you facing fascism and ethnic cleansing.

You don’t care about bloodshed until it is your blood and your shed.

Buddy. Do you really wanna hinge your political beliefs on “it’s very adult to commit genocide actually”? “It’s apart of growing up, killing people in mass for their race. You’ll understand when your older”.

Rethink what you just admitted to. Ask yourself “do I really believe that?” And when you find the answer to be no, which it should be if your a human fucking being with a soul l, ask yourself why you were so willing to argue for a genocide at the drop of a hat.

Thank you for this. I’m sure this will be the end of the conversation as far as Jordan is concerned. But I appreciate the receipts and sources.

Brother it’s only a genocidal statement in the hands of Israel, the group who is right now committing a genocide. I do not give a shit if they kick their feet and say how the emancipating slogan is actually super harmful. They are committing a genocide. They are lying. To continue committing genocide. You get that right? That your buying a genocidal excuse for more genocide?

This is why I pick this fight with you every time and this is why you get down voted to hell every time the fight is picked. You are masquerading as a pro palastinian and then follow it up with “well, both sides are committing genocide, isreal is kinda acting in self defence ngl”. Your a fucking wolf brother. You should be ashamed.

Let me take you at face value, let’s say your not purposefully spreading misinformation, you just don’t know better. You need to do 5 seconds of research from an actual pro palastinian sources, stop listening to Nathanal b yahoo about what his opinion is and stop waving your Lebanese or Jordan or whatever friend you have around like it protects you from the genocidal misinformation you are actively spreading.

Behold. My point proven.

Bro are you calling self defence “wanting to genocide Jews”? Is that the misconception your operating on that has led you to banning pro palastinian commenters?

I think your trying to show that Israeli military committed a war crime but you look like your accusing Hamas of doing the war crime. You got a edit that comment bruv, it’s a mess.

Howdy y’all, just a reminder this particular user has in the past banned pro palastinian users from communities he moderates. Good to see he has presumably changed his mind on the ongoing genocide.

Edit: he hasn’t

What are you doing? Why are you swinging on someone clearly with you?