That’s the point though: they assume every white person is a racist asshole just like them, so apologizing for one is apologizing for the other. When you live the life of a white supremecist day-in, day-out, the way they do, you start to think that’s just how life is. You can’t seen racist entitlement from the inside of the racists. It’s just “the way of things.”

Obligatory fuck JD Vance.

Well-honed reflex.

Narcissists aren’t very good at self-awareness.

“Stop saying he was killed by a gun! It was the blood loss that did him in!”

One thread today: “why do people from .ml get such a bad wrap?”

People from .ml:

Yeah, interesting article, but in the context of being posted on Lemmy, I’m immediately left asking questions on the intent here. “Zelensky did a bad thing” is the kind of domino that some people in these parts would use to start the “and this is why Russia has to murder civilians” discussion.

Confirmation bias can be a hell of a drug. I hope that any corruption is properly investigated, just not by a hostile, Imperialist nation using force of arms.

Then I believe you I missed the comparison.

I’m not suggesting that in both cases, a government is doing things to make “bad choices” harder. I’m suggesting that in both cases a government is disproportionately punishing the less wealthy to get what it wants. In neither case does the government gives a shit if you, individually, lead a healthier life or have a child. It wants you to generate more wealth for the country, whether that be by demanding less for health care costs or by producing the next worker drone.

The point in the sugar tax comparison, a real thing that happened in parts of Canada by the way, is that the government should be reducing the costs of the healthy choices, not making the unhealthy choices more expensive, as people were largely turning to unhealthy choices because they were cheaper and do not have the wealth to make better choices. Likewise, if the Chinese government wants to improve the birth rate of its population, they should make childcare more affordable and look to give parents more wealth/time, not attempt to punish them financially for preventing a pregnancy. Punishing a population that is making the choice you don’t want them to make out of necessity isn’t the solution to get them to make the choice you want. “Poor tax” is never a good solution, and that’s what the comparison is: two versions of “poor tax.”

This is some “people aren’t choosing healthy food, so raise the taxes on sugar” shit.

How about building a society and economy where having children doesn’t feel like an overwhelming detriment to the parent’s and child’s well-being?

I got curious and started Googling. Apparently China has VERY recently created a subsidy for parents, and finally begun creating support for early childhood care centers, which have traditionally been apparently prohibitively expensive due to privatization (In MY “Communist” China?). It’s good to see there is some actual social progress being implement alongside the hair-brained capitalist schemes that only serve to do harm to the poorest classes. But hey, fuck the points if it keeps the economy going, right?

The only war is class war.

And yet, you play the role of Chinese-MAGA. It’s unfortunate that the irony is lost on you.

C’mon man, there’s a lot of things to be said for how braindead of a take OP’s is, but throwing slurs around isn’t the play either.

Or, think about it this way: suggesting they were born facing serious mental and intellectual struggles is excusing their behaviour. This isn’t something they did because they were born unlucky. It’s a choice they made. They should have to own that, and we should hold them accountable as best as we can.

It’s about time for the Imperialists to start this again, I see.

Oh, absolutely, World News is filled with people praising the west for cracking down on protests, they’re clearly very pro-government.

/s and fuck off with your nonsense. This place is incredibly critical of basically every decision a major government makes.

What? China acting like an Imperialist Dictstorship? But that’s only something that happens in disgusting capitalist Western nations, never in glorious, Communist China!

/s, before I’m mistaken for one of the Tankies that are, I am sure, about to blow up this thread.

What the fuck do you mean some people don’t have an inner monologue. How do they… Think thoughts? I literally cannot comprehend how they work through thoughts.

I think there’s a huge difference between an intentional allegory used as an attack on a marginalized group, and a word being used to durogatorily refer to a non-living, non-feeling group of machines which are actively damaging the world.

yea, i guess someone saying “screws will not replace us” or “13% of the code, 50% of the bugs” (both real things i’ve seen people say)

I would agree that these things are not okay, becuase they’re imitating insults that literally only exist to put forward racist ideology, and I’d tell anyone who used them around me as much.

cause it’s the same shit with clanker and other assorted nonsense, you’re making racist jokes but swapping racialized people for an acceptable target. but guess what, it’s still racism! you’re still doing a racist joke!

So, how about “chud” then, intended to refer to right-wing-minded hate mongers? Or, here’s a better one, how about when we call right-wing extremists nazis as a durogatory insult? I mean they’re certainly not all members of the third reich. We’re using the term to equate them to something they strictly aren’t, even if they share more ideology than is okay. We’re still using words to categorize groups of people, and using them in intentionally insulting ways. Such durogatory terms are a part of our natural language. They’re not nice, sure, but I don’t want to be nice to people who are actively calling for violence against marginalized groups. But most importantly, we don’t think of these words as slurs. Slurs are durogatory terms that target marginalized groups, unlike “chud,” “nazi,” or yes, “clanker.”

I think there’s far too much nuance here to make blanket insinuations like “durogatory terms used to refer to things we don’t like are stand-ins for racist remarks.” But considering some of the other connections you’ve seen people make, I can certainly understand the trepidation.

Slurs target a marginalized group. “Clanker” does not target a marginalized group, because generative AI is not part of a marginalized group. It is not even alive, therefore it is not a slur in the sense you’re equating it to.

Please don’t call other people “clueless” if you don’t understand the things you’re getting worked up over. Equating non-thinking computer processing models to oppressed minorities is doing far more damage than anyone using the term “clanker,” ironically or otherwise.

You’re saying Marx while advocating for a Stalin-style dictatorship. Any proletariat uprising that depends on a separate class to perform in any position of dictatorship is a fascist - as was the case with Russia - or capitalist - as in China - regime in disguise.

I have never claimed to support any form of liberalism. That was a stance you imposed on me when I attacked your politics.

But, I digress, you kept it civil, I’ll take the opportunity to flip my attitude and do the same. While I still do not respect your politics, everyone deserves proper care, and everyone deserves to rest. I genuinely do hope you heal well.

So you agree? Xi Jiping is a dictator?

My friend, if you think dictatorship is a progressive step towards communism, I have a bridge you can hand ownership of to the state.

For someone who wants to try and play semantics, you’re quite quick to throw yourself, and your argument, under the bus. Perhaps pick a game you’re good at. You’re embarrassing your glorious leader over here.

Lmfao, valid. Ty for noting the autocorrect typo.

Of course I’m angry. Tankies defending a state-capitalist autocracy pisses me off, as it should any rational, progressive human being. The “Internet tough-guy calling people angry” schtick doesn’t dissuade china’s aggression to the sovereign nation of Taiwan, un-genocide any Ugyhur lives, or free China’s “totally not homeless” population out of the concentration camps the state uses to hold up their economy. My anger is well directed, and your attempt to belittle that isn’t the “own” that you and your fascist ilk seem to believe it is.

Fuck the States. This thread isn’t about them, their history of racism, or their rapid descent into fascism. This thread is about China disappearing a dissenter for “reeducation,” and this conversation is about how you’re a fresh account, happy to dismiss any criticism of your glorious fascist state as “American propaganda” with no logic other than “they said stuff I don’t like so it must be an American psyop.” No amount of whataboutism will change that you’re a dishonest actor, openly mocking one imperialist nation, while shilling for another.