Trump had permanently altered relations with the United States and that, regardless of any future trade deals, there would be “no turning back.”
“The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over,” Carney said.
that sounds pretty bad, but it’s not very specific
As it has to be. What Trump does next and what happens in Europe will play a big role in the details.
I am reminded of Winston Churchill saying that Americans will do the right thing after they have exhausted all other options.
I just didn’t quite realize how far “all other options“ could really go.
It’s hard to wonder why…
He really does think the EU is a country. I’m not sure my opinion of Americans will ever recover from them having voted in this absolute moron.
~32% of Americans voted for Trump. ~31% for Kamala, and the remaining ~37% voted third party or not at all.
Republicans are taking these actions, not Americans. And Democrats should have captured more of the 67% instead of going after the ~32%.
That being said, Americans are dumbbbb
Edit: 37% didn’t vote, not 67%. Thanks Lemming
Oh, fuck that. Stop making excuses.
Yes, the US electoral system is all kinds of fucked up, but Trump won, and the Republicans won a majority in the house and the senate. And since then, even though he’s dismantling the federal government the level of protesting in the US is minimal.
Look at the protests in Serbia or in Turkey, or even in Israel. The protests in the US aren’t happening because enough Americans either support Trump or are OK with what he’s doing. This isn’t some merely Republican thing. This is Germany in the 1930s, one group driving the process and the vast majority either supporting or just going along.
Lol I wish we were a country. Orange man dreaming big ;)
I was going to say this. Trump thinks the EU already is what I wish it will become.
Maybe his efforts will push us further into that direction though?
One of the good things to come from this is an end to the hegemony of the US. Now I have to hope the rest of the world will choose to be better as a result of it.
Get ready for Chinese hegemony
While I’m sure it will at least partially fill the vacuum left by the US, it won’t have the “soft power” the US did over the entire Western world.
If the US keeps trying this trade war trick, and they’ll end up realising that China is where stuff is made.
I’m Norwegian and they seem to have a bunch of soft power here by saying “if you do that, we won’t buy your salmon anymore.” Time’ll show, I guess.
As a resident of a Continental Country that is not the US, we’ve pretty much always seen Europe as a single, monolithic thing. It’s hard for us to grasp how something like France, which is just slightly bigger than Minas Gerais, 4th largest state of Brazil, is a completely separate thing from the rest.
Honestly, that just seems like ignorance. It’s like you don’t know that France likes wine and Germany drinks beer. Or that the two were on opposite sides of two world wars.
It’s like you don’t know that Rio Grande do Sul and São Paulo were on opposite sides of the Farrapos war or Rio Grande do Sul likes wine and São Paulo drinks more beer.
Regional cultural differences and history don’t come into question when it comes to how one country perceives others in the side of the world, so please, refrain from those simplistic ad-hominem arguments.
the Farrapos war
Ah yes, the famous Ragamuffin War in which 3000 people were killed. Seems similar to World War I, in which over 15 million people died, or World War II in which over 70 million people died. In one case Brazil put down a rebellion in their territory. In the other case, nearly the entire world was at war across multiple continents. Yep, sounds pretty similar to me.
Rio Grande do Sul likes wine and São Paulo drinks more beer.
Do you mean that Rio Grande do Sul drinks slightly more wine but still prefers beer?
Please stop pretending that slight regional differences in Brazil compare to centuries of conflict between two of the historical superpowers of Europe.
America was killed, by Americans, in a democratic election. And so many are still fondling the corpse, writhing with carrion bugs, and pretending it’s still alive.
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.
When fascism came to America, it was wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.
Fixed
The EU sort of is like a country in a sense though
Sure, in the sense that California is a city.
What the fuck do tariffs do other than make shit more expensive for US residents?
As well it should be. Even if we get our act together and elect another sane president, we’ve demonstrated that we’re happy to burn every single bridge we’ve spent so long building, and that it isn’t some one-off fuckup either
The US will have to crawl through the door on the right if they ever want to have any kind of decent relationship with other countries again. And we will NOT be getting our favored status that we’ve enjoyed since the end of WWII back. As the British Empire went, so too does the American Empire.
The US shouldn’t even continue to exist as the single entity it is today. I think five to eight large states is probably ideal. Cascadia, Rocky Mountains, Great Plains, New England, the South, the Great Lakes region, and something needs to be done with the Alaska, Hawaii, and our various non-state territories like Puerto Rico and American Samoa.
It’s simply too big and diverse to effectively govern.
The problem is that the cultural divide is largely urban vs. rural, which is spread out all over the country.
That’s one level of the divide, yes, but it’s reinforced by the rest of the structure. “Bioregionalism” suggests that cultures are more stable when they are contained within bioregions of climate and geography. People are more invested in what they perceive as their local environment and they are more likely to “feel heard” by others with that same stake. The current political borders, arbitrary as they are, push people to seek that connection in either protective isolation or a broader social identity.
It’s a relatively new idea (1970s) as far as political science goes but I find it compelling.
The other problem is that we let a right-wing propaganda apparatus operate unchallenged that began with the Nixon fallout and accelerated with Rupert Murdoch’s creation of Fox News in 1996 and that’s gonna take a few generations to unfuck no matter what else is going on.
And the thing i don’t think Americans have accepted yet… there’s no going back. They can vote the democrats back in next year. But we - their traditional allies will never be there for them again.
America will forever be isolated as untrustworthy.
If a proper revolution happens US will be taken back for sure. The problem is that Americans are way too comfortable for any major change and have been for a long time.
I’ve been seeing “comfortable” a lot, but I think honestly it’s less comfort and more confusion. I know it’s popular to portray us all as lazy, drinking our Big Gulp slushies and watching sportsball, but that’s not the whole picture.
We all know it sucks, we might call our reps, our friends might go wave some signs…but ultimately we’re culturally unaccustomed to organization, and that part cripples meaningful resistance. As the commenter below me stated, “lack of civic culture” and “hyper individualism” nails it.
Okay, we all want different things, we all struggle at wildly different randomized shifts because most of us are one missed paycheck away from disaster, how do we know who our friends are? No no, not the “Yeah man, that sucks lol idk.” friends, the ones who will actually fight with you?
Consequently, we’re suffering a massive lonliness epidemic where a lot of people not only have very little civic ties, they don’t even have a network of reliable companionship! A lot of this is simply thanks to suburban dominance and nowhere left to meet that’s not charging admission.
I don’t think that’s particularly a take on americans being lazy but a general issue where developed world populations tend to be more obedient because of they’re stuck in the zone of comfortable compliance.
China is by far the most extreme example of this. It’s a complete autocracy but also the economy is great and consumerism rampant.
Even the MAGA crowd are aware of this, they just think it’s a good thing. The only thing americans can all agree on is that we have some serious housecleaning to do.
I don’t think that’s true. I think the MAGAs have lived in such a comfortable bubble of American privilege that they don’t understand the implications of all this. They’re used to making jokes about Canada, “basically being the U.S.,” and having free and easy travel on the border that they don’t think about the fact that it’s a sovereign nation with it’s own culture and interests. I think they see this as politicians arguing, not America becoming a hostile foreign power.
Even the administration doesn’t seem to get this. They just had to cancel a, “cultural,” visit from the Second Lady to Greenland because both the government and public told them they were unwelcome. Apparently, they’re so steeped in American privilege (and probably used to people dismissing Trump ramblings as, “bluster,” or, “hot air,”) that it didn’t occur to them that you can’t just make a fun, friendly visit to a country the President threatened to invade.
Read my lips…Never gonna happen. You don’t get rid of a big brother just because of one mishap. Drumpf will be gone in 28 and the healing will immediately begin. I just hope he doesn’t die before then. JDV is a hillbilly that hillbillies want to disassociate themselves from.
