• irmoz@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    You implied that westerners would be much worse off without capitalism, and specifically referred to smartphones, seemed clear to me

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      6 days ago

      Capitalism as we have it absolutely favors westerners. Yes I’m saying that. How does that imply that I don’t think phones can ever be produced sustainably/fairly? Please explain the words you’re putting in my mouth.

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        Didn’t i just explain to you my thought process? I’m not putting words in your mouth, it just seemed that’s what you were getting at. Otherwise the smartphone reference seems totally random

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          Didn’t i just explain to you my thought process?

          Insufficiently, I guess because I did not follow.

          Smartphones are made with cheap third world labor. Everyone in the US has one, even those of us supposedly getting so exploited by capitalism. Therefore, the smartphone is like a membership card in the “capitalist exploiters” club. Which I was saying we all belong to.

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            I know they’re made with cheap labour, that’s exactly what I talked about. Well if you weren’t saying socialism couldn’t make them, then whatever. Sorry I misunderstood. But I do think a well planned transition to a worldwide socialist economy could maintain our way of life, and introduce everyone else to it (should they desire)

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              Id like to see that happen. I think it will involve changes for Americans which they won’t all like. But it will be good for us.