“From the river to the sea, Inshallah one day Palestine will be free!” Yeah what a vicious chant.
C.E.A.R.T.A. and Death Death to the IDF!
Meanwhile, the nazi IDF can come and go and take a break from genocide in the US and the rest of the these European countries
Israel will be remembered in the History books the same way Germany circa 1930’s is today.
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Death Death to the IDF
No I’m sure that’s an absolutely wonderful use of their time. Maybe they can post about this on Twitter rather than the 3g of weed that they seized.
I hope the entire world’s eyes are by this point open to the hypocrisy of the West. Kneecap and Bob Vylan being labeled outrageous or on trial for terrorism for… words, while weapons shipments continue to flow to the IDF, Netanyahu (with an arrest warrant for war crimes) flies through EU airspace unhindered, and the bombing of civilians in Gaza generates less news than a chant at a concert. Absolutely disgusting.
Disgust and rage doesn’t come close to expressing my emotions.
This is the capitalist hydra they created- money equals morality. How can we be evil if we’re making so much money selling weapons to a genocidal terrorist state? What was that, you don’t like it? Sssh, if you hurt our cash cow we will hurt YOU.
Worshipping the golden fucking calf.
Capitalism is a form of government where instead of citizens having one vote each, they have one vote per dollar they own. It’s a cult, and it’s a fucking cancer, and it will kill us all if we don’t stop it.
Oh, don’t discount the Racism.
People aren’t being investigated by police for criticizing Russia.
If it was only about money, they wouldn’t have reacted as they did to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine given all the money many were making from Russian fossil fuels and mineral wealth.
The big difference in the reaction to Russia’s Genocide in Ukraine and to Israel’s Genocide in Gaza (which is way worse both in numbers and in how many of the civilians being murdered are small children) is that in Ukraine the victims are Whites as are the aggressors whilst in Gaza the victims are (brown) Muslims whilst the aggressors are Whites.
At least amongst the power elites, especially in places like the US, UK and Germany, White Colonialism isn’t just this old 19th century practice we fortunatelly left behind, rather it’s a way of viewing the world which very much alive and widelly held.
Look, I agree with their sentiment and want to commend them for using their platform for advocating an end to this genocide. The US should absolutely not be considering it in granting visas.
But, yeah, maybe don’t do a chant calling for death to another country’s military. Don’t make it so easy for them. Make them ban you for simply saying “free Palestine”. Don’t let them say it’s because you made threats of violence. Bring the majority with you, don’t push them away.
In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant “Death, death to the SS!”? If people can’t see the genocide and see that military force against the genociding organization is necessary to stop it by now then they won’t be ‘brought to our side’ by using a kinder chant. It’s a type of civil disobedience, it brings more attention to the BBC and UK’s complicity in the genocide.
In 1944 would it be controversial for someone to chant “Death, death to the SS!”?
Um… Yeah. I’m thinking it would have gone down more or less the same as it is now. Loads of sane people agreeing with the sentiment, but the ones running the show wouldn’t and their bootlickers would follow suit.
“Death, death to the SS!”?
What would it have accomplish? What does it accomplish?
It gets Lemmy known as a hotbed of terrorism. It may cause legal and/or political trouble for the admins of the site. And what does it do that other words don’t?
Look at all the discussion here and consider how it is or isn’t limited. What’s happening in Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is responsible for it. What do death chants contribute to that conversation?
To be honest I had never heard of Bob Vylan before, so the people screaming they should be banned (so they dont become known?) reached the opposite effect, at least for me personally.
Yep. Just picked up their albums on Bandcamp to support them. I grew up with Rage Against the Machine and my little mind was blown when Evil Empire came out - these guys remind me of them.
I’ve been upping the listenership for kneecap and Bob vylan for about a month now. Saving for hard copies to help support. This all reminds me of the satanic panic that was so common when I was a kid. Such fuckery to suppress an idea.
Same never heard of them, but now streaming them to show support. They’re playing in my city on Saturday so might pop down.
Yeah, discovered an interesting artist through this
Can we rename the Streisand Effect to Vylan Effect now?
fuckign catchy though
The chant has been living rent free in my mind for days now.
We need to start banding together and voting these pro-genocide politicians out of office.
Oh, AIPAC supports you? Enjoy getting primaried. Watching their heads spin when Cuomo lost to Mamdani was fucking gold.
led crowds in chants of “free, free Palestine” and “death, death to the IDF” [The BBC said:] “The antisemitic sentiments expressed by Bob Vylan were utterly unacceptable … " [Starmer said:] “appalling hate speech.”
“Free Palestine” is not antisemitic. Criticism of a nation state’s armed forces is not antisemitic. Especially when those armed forces are objectively committing genocide.
I’m sure “death to the IDF” is what some people have issues with rather than “free Palestine”
chanting death for any group idendity en mass will always be controversial, even if it’s for Nazis
I think the issue is the other chant, now I’m not saying that is anti-Semitic at all as that’s insane.
For what it’s worth fuck the IDF, terrorist assholes.
Pfft…
Only the rational and reasonable buy into what you’re putting forth here…
Which completely and entirely excludes any/all MAGAts and other assorted fascist/authoritarian types that appear to be consuming gov’ts globally.
🤡 🖕 💩 💩
Also excludes quite a lot of Liberals - a lot of people who’ve been brainwashed over the last 3 decades with the fake “leftwing” idea that “it’s not Racism if your descriminiatory acts and judgements favor those of specific races rather than disfavor those of specific races”, are having trouble processing the situation were the self-proclaimed representatives of an ethnic group they’ve learned to see as “victims” and “good people” are actually committing an extreme Genocide along ethnic lines.
I mean, many have change to the Humanist position that “people should be judged and treated based solely on what they support and they do, independently of race”, by many if not most are still ridding the whole “the entire race are victims” idea and de facto supporting Genocide by attacking the critics of the depraved genocidal actions of the self-proclaimed representatives of the “victim race”.
This shit would have never reached this level if it was only the openly Fascist being Racist.
Also excludes pretty much every establishment Democrat
Of course, it is both sides, the Republicans and the Democrats, who are causing a problem in the UK government.
When did IDF become a protected minority group? Is saying “Death to Nazis” not allowed in the UK?
I’ll get downvoted for this but what im about to say is an undeniable fact. Chanting death for anyone is inciting violence and murder, UK governments and police can’t be allowing that, especially as there is no death penalty.
Yes I know, the IDF incite violence and murder, but does that make it OK to do in UK?
What a shitty article. It’s so heavily biased in favor of genocide.
They are literally all doing this. There is more confected outrage about this than the actual slaughter of civilians by the IDF. I feel like I’m going mad.
They are engaging in an absolutely ridiculous campaign of gaslighting. It’s so outlandish and over-the-top that it would actually be hilarious if it was on a lighter subject matter rather than genocide, terrorism, and a litany of war crimes.
Happy cake day!
They didn’t even do the most basic of work to attempt to put forward a front of journalistic integrity. They didn’t give Vylan a chance to respond to the article.
There was a really interesting podcast on the AP style and its entrenched biases - but only available to subscribers:
https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/bonus-who-writes-the-rules-of-news/
I was going to link their merch store so people can keep supporting them, but almost everything is already sold out lol
Death to the IDF.
https://bobvylan.myshopify.com/ is the link in case anyone wants it
Fuck that is an awesome design.
Shame it (a) appears to be cotton (not the material I want to be running in), and (b) is sold out.
I feel like wearing that would make me a target.
You prefer plastic?
Running shirts tend to be made of nylon or polyester. Unfortunately I tend to hang on to my clothes a very long time so all the tags are worn away and I can’t check, but I’m pretty sure all my running shirts are one of those.
Cotton is particularly bad because it chafes and it hangs on to sweat rather than wicking it away.
Of natural fibres, you probably want wool. I’ve particularly heard good things about merino wool. But avoid cotton for running.
It’s all sold out. Everyone wants a piece of Bob Vylan. I hope they do “death to the idf” t shirts.
Wait, I thought we hated Shopify? (Cause of the data breach.)
Not to mention that they were happily selling Kanye West’s Nazi clothing until the press and social media called them out for it.
I have no idea, I was just fixing the broken link
Thank you, fixed it in my post 🙏
