Velma

As if the length of a comment is directly related to its worth.

All I see is a bunch of hot air from a man who chooses to be willfully ignorant about the world because it serves him better to do so.

Acknowledging that women are penalized by society at large for having children in ways that fathers are not is not misandry.

Margaret Atwood - Cohabitation

Marriage is not
a house or even a tent

it is before that, and colder:

the edge of the forest, the edge
of the desert 
                    the unpainted stairs 
at the back where we squat 
outside, eating popcorn

the edge of the receding glacier

where painfully and with wonder
at having survived even
this far

we are learning to make fire

My dad picked up bow and arrow hunting for a few years. He never snagged a deer, but I’m sure he spent a lot of pleasant time smoking weed in the woods with his buddies.

But whatever they do, dont call having kids some kind of path to fuckin easy street. If they think that is the case, I invite them to come over and take care of my kids for a couple days and see how much fun it is.

Yeah this idea that parents get all these concessions and rewards and tax deductions that make their lives demonstrably easier than anyone else’s is laughable. Even the paper napkin math on that doesn’t work out in the slightest.

How else would you read that conversation?

Having to cover for your coworker because he had kids isn’t the same as being forced to have children.

No one is forcing you to have kids, dude.

It’s not your coworker’s fault that your employer unfairly punishes you when he has to take time off for his kids.

thespcicifcocean So are you for giving more flexibility for people who don’t necessarily need it, or for taking away flexibility from people who do?

Zatore They’re advocating for equal treatment for equal pay. Having kids doesn’t make you special.

thespcicifcocean They’re advocating for taking away flexibility. I’m all for giving extra flexibility, but let’s be honest, they just want others to not have it

Just following the conversation honestly. It seems that Zatore is advocating that parents shouldn’t get any additional time off because having kids doesn’t make them special.

God forbid people want to experience the joy of parenthood.

Of course it depends - I’m sure there are women out there with very supportive employers who didn’t see any decrease in their wages related to them being mothers.

But the majority of women, even when a child is planned, experience a net negative on their total earnings and career advancements.

Men simply don’t see that kind of treatment from becoming fathers.

Yeah you’re the victim here. go cry some more.

The childfree are the victims?

Haaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You’re wildly overestimating how much monetary and societal benefits there are to parenthood.

Yeah parents don’t pay for shit in this world, right?

But certainly the one simple thing everyone can do to make the world a better place is to have fewer children.

Better continue to punch down on parents then. That’s totally gonna help.

Let’s go ahead and just get rid of rape and abuse while we’re at it. It’s just so easy, right?

Cry me a river.

If you’re a man.

Having children is almost always a net negative for women. There’s even a term for it: “The Motherhood Penalty”

I had two weeks for maternity leave as well. First week in the hospital with a new abdominal wound and a newborn that didn’t know the difference between day and night yet. Second week was for crying every day that I had to go back to work.

My work place is similar - everyone can take time off as they need it. We all support one another. Get the work done. Go home and enjoy your life.