Dumb doomer attitudes like this and the rest constantly plastered all over Lemmy (always by the same handful of users I’ve noticed) certainly isn’t helping. “American” Lemmy is a small community, it’s a lot smaller when you take out the bad faith “memelords” incessantly both-sides-ing and advocating for non-participation.
Depends, do like fascist cock shoved down your country’s throat? Cuz I hate it. But if you don’t, just keep arguing for electing fascists like you currently are.
The only people I routinely read on here bringing up non-voting are centrists. All the progressives, aside from a few performative tankies, I read on here said, “I’ll hold my nose and vote for Kamala, but her choices are going to cost her the election.”
The progressives showed up and voted for Kamala. And just like the progressives predicted, her shit policies meant that large numbers of low-engagement voters simply saw no reason to vote for her. Her democracy message fell flat because if you’re in the poorest 90% of the US, you do not live in a democracy.
Not really. The Tear Party replaced a pro-business party with an even more pro-business party. Or they replaced the pro-business party with a more bigoted pro-business party. They made no fundamental challenge to the power of wealth and influence within the Republican party. And they were not a real grass roots organization.
capture a small enough portion of your voting base that covers the margin of victory (aka: the short hairs) and demand the party do your bidding.
Now I have no idea if that’s what the Tea Party did as I was way too young for politics at that time, but American progressives regard this particular strategy as nothing less than anathema to their very existence.
No, because most progressives would never make that threat, let alone follow up on it. I mean would you say “they didn’t do what we want, don’t vote Democrat”? Exactly.
The fact is that the explicit threat doesn’t need to be made for there to be a threat - the Tea Party generally did not make explicit threats. The implicit threat by demonstrating a significant portion of the voting base as adhering to your ideas is, itself, a threat.
Meanwhile, progressives very often, as demonstrated on here, regularly say “The Dems haven’t done what we want, don’t vote Democrat!” and act surprised that their total lack of demonstration of support in elections for progressive candidates has failed to give them pull with the national party with this threat.
The implicit threat by demonstrating a significant portion of the voting base as adhering to your ideas is, itself, a threat.
Bernie’s performance in the primary was enough of a demonstration. The DNC’s obstinacy can’t be spun as ignorance after the lengths they went to to keep Bernie down (and, you know, primary results). The point has been demonstrated and they don’t fucking care; make of that what you will.
Meanwhile, progressives very often, as demonstrated on here, regularly say “The Dems haven’t done what we want, don’t vote Democrat!”
What’s happening on Lemmy is a bunch of basement dwellers (including yours truly) yelling at each other. Nobody with any real amount of reach is saying this; that’s why Uncommitted (even though they didn’t even say “don’t vote for Harris”) was such a big deal and why so many progressives fucking hated it. I remember in 2024 that for every one person even remotely critical of Biden or Harris there would be nine people calling them everything from undercover MAGA to a Russian troll to a useful idiot and downvoted to hell. The anti-leftist crusades still haven’t ended, despite left-leaning voters having overwhelmingly voted for Harris and most non-voters by far being moderates. I’m not passing judgement on either position as that’s irrelevant to the argument being made, but while there’s a loud anti-Democrat minority, reality has clearly and repeatedly demonstrated how the majority of progressives feel about this.
That’d require progressives to have something resembling spine. Good fucking luck.
Dumb doomer attitudes like this and the rest constantly plastered all over Lemmy (always by the same handful of users I’ve noticed) certainly isn’t helping. “American” Lemmy is a small community, it’s a lot smaller when you take out the bad faith “memelords” incessantly both-sides-ing and advocating for non-participation.
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That’s why I support candidates, not parties.
Helping what? What do you want me to help?
PS: I’m not American.
Depends, do like fascist cock shoved down your country’s throat? Cuz I hate it. But if you don’t, just keep arguing for electing fascists like you currently are.
It would require progressives to actually vote in the primaries, which 90% of people on here discourage at every opportunity.
The only people I routinely read on here bringing up non-voting are centrists. All the progressives, aside from a few performative tankies, I read on here said, “I’ll hold my nose and vote for Kamala, but her choices are going to cost her the election.”
The progressives showed up and voted for Kamala. And just like the progressives predicted, her shit policies meant that large numbers of low-engagement voters simply saw no reason to vote for her. Her democracy message fell flat because if you’re in the poorest 90% of the US, you do not live in a democracy.
I mean, that’s fine too but not really what the parent comment is talking about.
It’s not? That’s literally what the Tea Party did.
Not really. The Tear Party replaced a pro-business party with an even more pro-business party. Or they replaced the pro-business party with a more bigoted pro-business party. They made no fundamental challenge to the power of wealth and influence within the Republican party. And they were not a real grass roots organization.
Now I have no idea if that’s what the Tea Party did as I was way too young for politics at that time, but American progressives regard this particular strategy as nothing less than anathema to their very existence.
Yes, because it would require them to vote in the primaries to demonstrate the capture of the voting base?
No, because most progressives would never make that threat, let alone follow up on it. I mean would you say “they didn’t do what we want, don’t vote Democrat”? Exactly.
The fact is that the explicit threat doesn’t need to be made for there to be a threat - the Tea Party generally did not make explicit threats. The implicit threat by demonstrating a significant portion of the voting base as adhering to your ideas is, itself, a threat.
Meanwhile, progressives very often, as demonstrated on here, regularly say “The Dems haven’t done what we want, don’t vote Democrat!” and act surprised that their total lack of demonstration of support in elections for progressive candidates has failed to give them pull with the national party with this threat.
Bernie’s performance in the primary was enough of a demonstration. The DNC’s obstinacy can’t be spun as ignorance after the lengths they went to to keep Bernie down (and, you know, primary results). The point has been demonstrated and they don’t fucking care; make of that what you will.
What’s happening on Lemmy is a bunch of basement dwellers (including yours truly) yelling at each other. Nobody with any real amount of reach is saying this; that’s why Uncommitted (even though they didn’t even say “don’t vote for Harris”) was such a big deal and why so many progressives fucking hated it. I remember in 2024 that for every one person even remotely critical of Biden or Harris there would be nine people calling them everything from undercover MAGA to a Russian troll to a useful idiot and downvoted to hell. The anti-leftist crusades still haven’t ended, despite left-leaning voters having overwhelmingly voted for Harris and most non-voters by far being moderates. I’m not passing judgement on either position as that’s irrelevant to the argument being made, but while there’s a loud anti-Democrat minority, reality has clearly and repeatedly demonstrated how the majority of progressives feel about this.