The DNC didn’t ‘rig’ the primary in the sense of changing vote totals, but they did actively tilt the scales through media collusion (leaked emails showed DNC officials mocking Sanders and strategizing against him), debate scheduling (minimizing exposure), and voter suppression tactics (e.g., purging independents in closed primaries). The lawsuit revealed the DNC’s lawyers openly argued in court that they had no obligation to run a fair process.
That said, yes, Clinton won more votes, but the system was structurally biased from the start. The real question is whether a truly neutral primary would have had a different outcome, given Sanders’ momentum and Clinton’s weaknesses (which absolutely contributed to Trump’s win).
Bernie lost, he wasn’t popular enough. Get over it.
Telling people to ‘get over it’ ignores why this still matters. The DNC’s actions in 2016 (and again in 2020, with the sudden coalescence around Biden after South Carolina) reinforced the perception that the party prioritizes control over democracy. That disillusionment cost them key voters in swing states. Which is how we got Trump.
Ah yes, the galaxy-brain take: ‘Vote count alone determines legitimacy.’ By that logic, the Electoral College is fake news, GOP voter suppression doesn’t matter, and Russia’s 2016 interference was irrelevant because ‘Trump got more votes in the right states.’ But sure, pretend the DNC’s thumb on the scale had zero effect on turnout, messaging, or voter access. Totally normal democracy.
Imagine a kids’ boxcar race where one competitor had:
A professional engineer for a dad who designed the car
Custom CNC-machined parts and high-end materials
A team of adults helping them at every step
Meanwhile, the other kid:
Built their car alone with basic tools
Was actively discouraged from getting outside help
Had race officials constantly changing rules to favor the first kid
Then, when the second kid lost, people said: ‘Well, the first kid just built a faster car, we don’t see a problem here.’
That’s what the 2016 primary was like. The DNC didn’t stuff ballots, but they rigged the game long before voting started. Through media collusion, debate manipulation, and voter suppression. And when sued, their lawyers literally argued, ‘We have no obligation to run a fair primary.’
So yes, Clinton got more votes. AFTER the DNC tilted the scales. Pretending that’s ‘democracy’ is like saying the boxcar race was fair because they allowed to poor kid to participate to begin with.
You’re either incapable of grasping systemic bias or pretending it doesn’t exist to ‘win’ an argument. Either way, I’ve already explained why ‘Clinton got more votes’ doesn’t absolve the DNC’s misconduct. Repeating yourself won’t change that. Have a day.
The DNC didn’t ‘rig’ the primary in the sense of changing vote totals, but they did actively tilt the scales through media collusion (leaked emails showed DNC officials mocking Sanders and strategizing against him), debate scheduling (minimizing exposure), and voter suppression tactics (e.g., purging independents in closed primaries). The lawsuit revealed the DNC’s lawyers openly argued in court that they had no obligation to run a fair process.
That said, yes, Clinton won more votes, but the system was structurally biased from the start. The real question is whether a truly neutral primary would have had a different outcome, given Sanders’ momentum and Clinton’s weaknesses (which absolutely contributed to Trump’s win).
Bernie lost, he wasn’t popular enough. Get over it.
Telling people to ‘get over it’ ignores why this still matters. The DNC’s actions in 2016 (and again in 2020, with the sudden coalescence around Biden after South Carolina) reinforced the perception that the party prioritizes control over democracy. That disillusionment cost them key voters in swing states. Which is how we got Trump.
Did Bernie get more or fewer votes than Clinton?
Ah yes, the galaxy-brain take: ‘Vote count alone determines legitimacy.’ By that logic, the Electoral College is fake news, GOP voter suppression doesn’t matter, and Russia’s 2016 interference was irrelevant because ‘Trump got more votes in the right states.’ But sure, pretend the DNC’s thumb on the scale had zero effect on turnout, messaging, or voter access. Totally normal democracy.
Imagine a kids’ boxcar race where one competitor had:
Meanwhile, the other kid:
Then, when the second kid lost, people said: ‘Well, the first kid just built a faster car, we don’t see a problem here.’
That’s what the 2016 primary was like. The DNC didn’t stuff ballots, but they rigged the game long before voting started. Through media collusion, debate manipulation, and voter suppression. And when sued, their lawyers literally argued, ‘We have no obligation to run a fair primary.’
So yes, Clinton got more votes. AFTER the DNC tilted the scales. Pretending that’s ‘democracy’ is like saying the boxcar race was fair because they allowed to poor kid to participate to begin with.
You’re either incapable of grasping systemic bias or pretending it doesn’t exist to ‘win’ an argument. Either way, I’ve already explained why ‘Clinton got more votes’ doesn’t absolve the DNC’s misconduct. Repeating yourself won’t change that. Have a day.