• ZMoney@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    They didn’t concede Crimea. They failed to get a security guarantee from NATO or the EU and now that would involve declaring war, so we are instead content to watch hundreds of thousands of them die. You need peace before you can get a security guarantee, and the only way to get peace is through some negotiation. Barring the aforementioned spontaneous collapse of Russia.

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      20 hours ago

      You need peace before you can get a security guarantee,

      Which they had in 2015 and couldn’t get one

      and the only way to get peace is through some negotiation.

      Which they did in 2014 and still got invaded in 2022

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        19 hours ago

        Yes they get a security guarantee this time, obviously. It’s like arguing with an LLM

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          9 hours ago

          And how do you propose that they guarantee that before negotiations? Or do you propose that they negotiate for peace, let Putin end a second war with a profit, and then hope that things go better than the last time they did the exact same thing?

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          18 hours ago

          It’s like arguing with an LLM

          Or perhaps it is because your position is untenable?