Oh… so scientists themselves might not be aware of potential problems with the vaccines, but complete fucking morons such as yourself and that worm-brained idiot in front of the US health department, who know NOTHING about the subject (not even the most basic scientific concepts) are supposed to be the ones who know?
I didn’t say I know about problems that scientists don’t know about. I’m saying that I don’t want to take the risks because I consider it too early to be confident they’re safe for me. And there’s been way too many people that got weird blood clots, cancers and what not soon after taking the jab, that needs to be sorted out as well.
I have never used facebook. Language is not personality, etc. This thread is now so full of those petty pathetic low intelligence personal attacks that I almost feel bad it highlights my position on this topic in better light than it probably needs to be.
The issue is you’re comparing a small manageable risk to a significant unmanageable one. The data is in. The time has passed. You had the potential to be somewhat correct once, but with millions of doses of the vaccine now distributed we now have overwhelming evidence that it leads to more positive health outcomes vs contracting the virus. A short search of academic studies will provide you significant data in this regard should you wish you validate.
How is it manageable from individual pov? It’s more like a lottery. Maybe from big numbers pov it reduces mortality over those small time spans that were studied. There’s still no data for really long time spans, because not even 10 years have passed, and the worst case scenarios for person outside of high risk group seems to be worse than contracting virus.
There is no “long term”. mRNA degrades in your body after a few days. Your immune system remembers the spike proteins. End of story. This isn’t even college level biology.
mRNA has been in development and testing for over 3 decades. The first trials were 2 decades ago. We have enough information, you just continue to choose to be obstinate and ignorant about this.
You don’t know what you don’t know. As an example, scientists have been studying biology for hundreds of years and only recently noticed some new weird viral like entities that were completely ignored before, and it’s unknown what their effect could be.
There’s enough time passed to show that if you catch the virus you have a significantly increased risk of all long term complications vs the vaccine. Again just look up the statistics and research. The primary field I’m aware of is heart complications where those who have taken the vaccine show double digit reductions in long term heart complications vs those who have not. Arstechnica.com has a good write up on it that I have linked below, but basically every legitimate peer reviewed study is fairly aligned on the health outcomes of the vaccine being positive stacked against the virus in wide populations. You, as an individual, do not get to choose if you live in a population so your personal assessed risk factor does not really matter because it’s entirely subjective and based on things you cannot measure.
So, if I’m reading this correctly, even if you get vaccine:
there’s 74% chance it won’t prevent COVID-19–associated emergency department/urgent care encounters
there’s 65% chance it won’t prevent COVID-19–associated hospitalization
there’s 59% chance it won’t prevent COVID-19–associated critical illness
Add to this the fact that it’s also not forever and you need to get revaxxed every so often, and the fact that covid was almost non-existant for at least 3 years, and I don’t see why even bother especially considering there’s already paxlovid, remdesivir, molnupiravir, etc.
It’s a lot easier of a choice now that it’s endemic and there are drugs, but long term complications are still common with Covid so it’s more of a gamble than the vaccine. You’re also not reading it correctly but I don’t really care to explain risk factors to you.
Anyway, your point of view at least makes sense. It’s easy to understand and the only thing I can do is to try to disprove it with numbers. It was enough just to write those few messages you did and it’s absolutely unnecessary to spam the thread with dozens if not a hundred of messages of personal attacks. Just a note to science enjoyers who can’t stop spamming the thread with insults.
Disagreement is built into the scientific method. I’m always open to shifting my opinion should the data change, but currently the overwhelming data is showing vaccines, including the Covid 19 vaccine, to be safe and effective on a grand scale when it comes to positive health outcomes for a population vs the control group. Edward Jenner faced the same uphill challenges explaining it to people hundreds of years ago when he created the first vaccine though so I suppose it makes sense the debate is still around. Personally I think that science should invite skeptism at large scale but I just don’t think there’s any place for fighting against expert opinion and agreement when the vast majority of data provides proof for it. I understand the choice in vaccination and vaccination opinion often feels like a very personal one and It’s odd, because I think a lot of people would probably tell you vaccines are only good so perhaps you feel lied to there… And truth be told, they kill people occasionally. I hate saying that’s an unfortunate reality of life, but the more unfortunate reality is that greater numbers would die or experience potentially extreme health complications without them based on all evidence we have gathered to this point and historically. In an ideal world we’d be past this point and it would be a perfect or entirely unnecessary technology, but we must make due with what we have in the face of things we cannot at this point reasonably control such as viruses.
Oh… so scientists themselves might not be aware of potential problems with the vaccines, but complete fucking morons such as yourself and that worm-brained idiot in front of the US health department, who know NOTHING about the subject (not even the most basic scientific concepts) are supposed to be the ones who know?
Yeah, you can go right ahead and fuck off.
I didn’t say I know about problems that scientists don’t know about. I’m saying that I don’t want to take the risks because I consider it too early to be confident they’re safe for me. And there’s been way too many people that got weird blood clots, cancers and what not soon after taking the jab, that needs to be sorted out as well.
“the jab” okay found the american, republican, christianity influenced dude.
I’m ETL (english third language, not even second), I pick words I read on the internet.
You also make your personality off of things you find on facebook lol
I have never used facebook. Language is not personality, etc. This thread is now so full of those petty pathetic low intelligence personal attacks that I almost feel bad it highlights my position on this topic in better light than it probably needs to be.
Yeah you’re better than everyone else and their pesky “facts”, better go watch some tiktoks instead.
The issue is you’re comparing a small manageable risk to a significant unmanageable one. The data is in. The time has passed. You had the potential to be somewhat correct once, but with millions of doses of the vaccine now distributed we now have overwhelming evidence that it leads to more positive health outcomes vs contracting the virus. A short search of academic studies will provide you significant data in this regard should you wish you validate.
How is it manageable from individual pov? It’s more like a lottery. Maybe from big numbers pov it reduces mortality over those small time spans that were studied. There’s still no data for really long time spans, because not even 10 years have passed, and the worst case scenarios for person outside of high risk group seems to be worse than contracting virus.
There is no “long term”. mRNA degrades in your body after a few days. Your immune system remembers the spike proteins. End of story. This isn’t even college level biology.
mRNA has been in development and testing for over 3 decades. The first trials were 2 decades ago. We have enough information, you just continue to choose to be obstinate and ignorant about this.
You don’t know what you don’t know. As an example, scientists have been studying biology for hundreds of years and only recently noticed some new weird viral like entities that were completely ignored before, and it’s unknown what their effect could be.
There’s enough time passed to show that if you catch the virus you have a significantly increased risk of all long term complications vs the vaccine. Again just look up the statistics and research. The primary field I’m aware of is heart complications where those who have taken the vaccine show double digit reductions in long term heart complications vs those who have not. Arstechnica.com has a good write up on it that I have linked below, but basically every legitimate peer reviewed study is fairly aligned on the health outcomes of the vaccine being positive stacked against the virus in wide populations. You, as an individual, do not get to choose if you live in a population so your personal assessed risk factor does not really matter because it’s entirely subjective and based on things you cannot measure.
https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/06/covid-vaccines-still-protect-against-heart-problems-large-study-finds/
So, if I’m reading this correctly, even if you get vaccine:
Add to this the fact that it’s also not forever and you need to get revaxxed every so often, and the fact that covid was almost non-existant for at least 3 years, and I don’t see why even bother especially considering there’s already paxlovid, remdesivir, molnupiravir, etc.
It’s a lot easier of a choice now that it’s endemic and there are drugs, but long term complications are still common with Covid so it’s more of a gamble than the vaccine. You’re also not reading it correctly but I don’t really care to explain risk factors to you.
Anyway, your point of view at least makes sense. It’s easy to understand and the only thing I can do is to try to disprove it with numbers. It was enough just to write those few messages you did and it’s absolutely unnecessary to spam the thread with dozens if not a hundred of messages of personal attacks. Just a note to science enjoyers who can’t stop spamming the thread with insults.
Disagreement is built into the scientific method. I’m always open to shifting my opinion should the data change, but currently the overwhelming data is showing vaccines, including the Covid 19 vaccine, to be safe and effective on a grand scale when it comes to positive health outcomes for a population vs the control group. Edward Jenner faced the same uphill challenges explaining it to people hundreds of years ago when he created the first vaccine though so I suppose it makes sense the debate is still around. Personally I think that science should invite skeptism at large scale but I just don’t think there’s any place for fighting against expert opinion and agreement when the vast majority of data provides proof for it. I understand the choice in vaccination and vaccination opinion often feels like a very personal one and It’s odd, because I think a lot of people would probably tell you vaccines are only good so perhaps you feel lied to there… And truth be told, they kill people occasionally. I hate saying that’s an unfortunate reality of life, but the more unfortunate reality is that greater numbers would die or experience potentially extreme health complications without them based on all evidence we have gathered to this point and historically. In an ideal world we’d be past this point and it would be a perfect or entirely unnecessary technology, but we must make due with what we have in the face of things we cannot at this point reasonably control such as viruses.