I’m sure there’s also a population of tankies that don’t understand truly what they are saying and are just vaguely repeating talking points from their favorite podcaster/streamer.
It would certainly explain why every argument with a tankie fits into 1 of about 6 of the same arguments with slightly different flavor.
That’s definitely the case with my ex. He used to parrot the “Russia had to invade Ukraine because NATO! It was self defence!” and I’m pretty sure he was just parroting whatever he heard on Joe Rogan and the other far right rabbit holes that led him to.
The west bad, Russia less bad. I don’t see how this is controversial. How many unjustifiable wars and how many dead civilians has the west produced in the last 75 years?
Wayyyyyy too many young-adults tune into Hasan and believe he makes sense as he panders to his twitch chat for profit. I’m more and more convinced that this is Russo/China infiltration attempting to wedge-drive the left and distort reality. There are people on here who will complain about US imperialism on the daily but then turn a complete blind eye to Chinese or Russian atrocities conveniently. One can only conclude they’re spreading the kool-aid, or chugging it.
Lmao, you seriously think libs are somehow on left? democrats are literally a centrist to center right party in any sane country and also they are extremely pro capitalist (and so does its 90% base), what is left about that? and stop blaming china and russia for your own incompetence
It would certainly explain why every argument with a tankie fits into 1 of about 6 of the same arguments with slightly different flavor.
Butwhatabout <insert something shitty the US has done that nobody has condoned or even mentioned during the current discussion about China while completely ignoring the discussion about things China is doing>? You don’t seem to have any problem with that, huh?
I’m sure there’s also a population of tankies that don’t understand truly what they are saying and are just vaguely repeating talking points from their favorite podcaster/streamer.
I fee like some of them are neurodivergent and don’t realise it. I was listening to an interview of a former neo-Nazi and he mentioned many of those who get sucked in by the far-right are very likely to be undiagnosed autistic. I imagine the same happening with the far-left tankie circles, given the childish statements they constantly make and the perpetual online presence.
This is not an attack on neurodivergent folks by the way, and sorry if my comment sounds like I rub anyone the wrong way, but it is quite common for any extremist movements to try to recruit vulnerable people in some capacity, either those who are emotionally or mentally vulnerable, or both.
The thing about us neurodivergent people is that we’re people, which means we’re as vulnerable as any other group. Some might be more vulnerable than non-neurodivergent individuals others might be less. There is a broad spectrum of neurodivergence. I happen to be one of the less vulnerable. My autism predisposed me to questioning and trying to truly understand what I hear and why.
Your comment did rub me the wrong way because to say that we neurodivergent folk are particularly vulnerable to these sorts of things (extremism) is belittling. I know you tried to mean well but that is simply what it is. We are a broad spectrum of people. Same as you.
Exactly my point. If you categorize the vast majority of people as liberals, any given subset of people is fairly likely to be entirely contained within that majority.
I mean, I am more on the anarchistic/libertarian side of communism and certainly no ML nut even I think that most self proclaimed anarchists are cosplaying libs. Where I live there are two kinds of anarchists, the ones that just take drugs instead of doing any organising and the ones that actually organise and form alliances with generally likeminded groups. Sadly the second kind is vastly outnumbered by the first.
You’ve stumbled upon a dichotomy that exists in every ideology: those who have the skills, resources, and will to organize, and those who don’t. Most MLs don’t organize either, nor most neoliberals, or monarchists, or any other group. Organizing is difficult and time-consuming. An awful lot of people in this late capitalist hellscape have their hands full just trying to survive.
They organize enough to meet up to take their drugs and they also go to protests. They just don’t want to actually plan stuff because planning teams are authoritarian or some bullshit. There is a reason why most of the more successful anarchist organisations work more and more like ml parties
I’m sure there’s also a population of tankies that don’t understand truly what they are saying and are just vaguely repeating talking points from their favorite podcaster/streamer.
It would certainly explain why every argument with a tankie fits into 1 of about 6 of the same arguments with slightly different flavor.
That’s definitely the case with my ex. He used to parrot the “Russia had to invade Ukraine because NATO! It was self defence!” and I’m pretty sure he was just parroting whatever he heard on Joe Rogan and the other far right rabbit holes that led him to.
Well at least he’s your ex.
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Sounds like he was a fascist, not a tankie.
I don’t think you know what a tankie is.
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The west bad, Russia less bad. I don’t see how this is controversial. How many unjustifiable wars and how many dead civilians has the west produced in the last 75 years?
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“tankies support fascism”
thats a new one
What 0 political education does to a motherfucker, lol.
Do you know how many people of Russian descent the Ukrainian government murdered prior to Russia invading?
Wayyyyyy too many young-adults tune into Hasan and believe he makes sense as he panders to his twitch chat for profit. I’m more and more convinced that this is Russo/China infiltration attempting to wedge-drive the left and distort reality. There are people on here who will complain about US imperialism on the daily but then turn a complete blind eye to Chinese or Russian atrocities conveniently. One can only conclude they’re spreading the kool-aid, or chugging it.
Lmfao
Lmao, you seriously think libs are somehow on left? democrats are literally a centrist to center right party in any sane country and also they are extremely pro capitalist (and so does its 90% base), what is left about that? and stop blaming china and russia for your own incompetence
Butwhatabout <insert something shitty the US has done that nobody has condoned or even mentioned during the current discussion about China while completely ignoring the discussion about things China is doing>? You don’t seem to have any problem with that, huh?
I fee like some of them are neurodivergent and don’t realise it. I was listening to an interview of a former neo-Nazi and he mentioned many of those who get sucked in by the far-right are very likely to be undiagnosed autistic. I imagine the same happening with the far-left tankie circles, given the childish statements they constantly make and the perpetual online presence.
This is not an attack on neurodivergent folks by the way, and sorry if my comment sounds like I rub anyone the wrong way, but it is quite common for any extremist movements to try to recruit vulnerable people in some capacity, either those who are emotionally or mentally vulnerable, or both.
“they must have mental problems”
How woke of you.
Well, you tell me.
I’ll tell you that when a liberal is scratched, a fascist bleeds.
The thing about us neurodivergent people is that we’re people, which means we’re as vulnerable as any other group. Some might be more vulnerable than non-neurodivergent individuals others might be less. There is a broad spectrum of neurodivergence. I happen to be one of the less vulnerable. My autism predisposed me to questioning and trying to truly understand what I hear and why.
Your comment did rub me the wrong way because to say that we neurodivergent folk are particularly vulnerable to these sorts of things (extremism) is belittling. I know you tried to mean well but that is simply what it is. We are a broad spectrum of people. Same as you.
yes, only libs are the enlightened one.
Well, when you categorize everyone on the planet who isn’t an ML as a liberal, that cuts down on the options.
anarchists are liberals anyways
Exactly my point. If you categorize the vast majority of people as liberals, any given subset of people is fairly likely to be entirely contained within that majority.
Depending on the time of the day and mood, they call anyone fascists instead.
It’s like they didn’t even bother trying to grasp what you said
in the current system most active political people are liberals, from the MAGAts to wokechuds to anraKKKidies
I mean, I am more on the anarchistic/libertarian side of communism and certainly no ML nut even I think that most self proclaimed anarchists are cosplaying libs. Where I live there are two kinds of anarchists, the ones that just take drugs instead of doing any organising and the ones that actually organise and form alliances with generally likeminded groups. Sadly the second kind is vastly outnumbered by the first.
You’ve stumbled upon a dichotomy that exists in every ideology: those who have the skills, resources, and will to organize, and those who don’t. Most MLs don’t organize either, nor most neoliberals, or monarchists, or any other group. Organizing is difficult and time-consuming. An awful lot of people in this late capitalist hellscape have their hands full just trying to survive.
They organize enough to meet up to take their drugs and they also go to protests. They just don’t want to actually plan stuff because planning teams are authoritarian or some bullshit. There is a reason why most of the more successful anarchist organisations work more and more like ml parties
because the first kind is real anarchism i.e. armchair resistance which does not threaten the state or the capitalist system
you need to go back and take some politics class, anarchists are not politcally aligned to one party or any group for the most part.
because they do nothing and possess no threat to bourgeosie state apparatus.