Unfortunately he’s confusing antisemites with antizionists
Palestinians are semites too!
Quit it with the semitics
Given how much he reversed on after speaking with experts on other things when he was govenor, I think he could be convinced he isn’t defending the right people if he talked to a 3rd party expert about it.
This is personal for him. IIRC his dad was a Nazi and during his childhood he remembered him being a sad angry man, never getting over the loss.
The term “semite” has two definitions, one traditional and one modern. Palestinians are semitic according to both of them.
No but don’t you understand? Criticizing the Israeli government for slaughtering Palestinians is anti-Semitic for… reasons.
Words change their meaning over time, in context, and with other words. When people say antisemitic nowadays, we know what they mean. No need to go all ackshyually
Actually I don’t know at all what someone means when they say that anymore because for the last two years when the media or a public figure mentions antisemitism it is nearly always criticizing Zionism and Israel for their genocide.
Yes, if they convince you good enough, then black would mean white, war would mean peace.
What is wrong with you? What are you, some kind of new-age hippy? Why are you using these new-fangled words like white, war, and peace? What ever happened to albus, bellum, and pax?
I mean that’s how language works, if everybody started calling White, Black; Black would would have a new definition, see literally. That said fuck Israel, Jews are cool unless they support what Israel is doing. All religion is bad and used to justify terrible things but not all religious people are bad.
But the word has ties to Nazi germany, it’s more rhetoric than word.
As if they’ll listen to him.
Then why are you a Republican?
Because he immigrated to the US after hearing a speech from Reagan and promptly went from having almost nothing to starting his own business and becoming a multi-millionaire before he got into acting. He’s what the Republican party used to advertise itself as. He is to the Republican Party what Worf is to the Klingon Empire.
He is to the Republican Party what Worf is to the Klingon Empire.
Ahh finally an analogy my Lemmy brain can understand.
Ok but why is he republican today?
Now he just hates brown people. It’s the circle of life.
Because the dem primary in CA would have been too crowded. Same reason Bloomberg ran as a republican his first NYC mayoral election. As a republican he could get to the general election uncontested. They’re both independent types, it was just easier to win as a republican than an actual no party Independent. And if they had run as Democrats they would have been blue dog clinton conservative democrats. (IIRC Bloomberg did run as an independent when he could run as an incumbent.)
Because he’s old and he’s always been a Republican.
you can fight an enemy without hating them
One thing I will say he doesn’t get enough flack for is being a part of the body dysmoprhia machine. Soo many young men are taking steroids now and have body image issues. What used to be great physiques are now seen as scrawny partly due to these guys blasting gear and making it seem glamorous.
On the positive side, decades of underground gym bro steroid compounding resulted in the infrastructure and community practices that the trans homebrew community now uses to get HRT to trans people shut out by the medical system. The majority of trans people have used or use DIY HRT at some point in their lives, and that infrastructure comes right out of the gym bro steroid culture.
Well alright could you please also forward that note to the genocidal child killers that are ranzig Gaza and Lebanon?
I really don’t want more antisemitism but that’s not something I can control as Israel itself is currently the biggest driver of antisemitism in the world
Also they’re apartheid by definition.
Whatever your views on him as an actor or his political affiliation, you should watch the original speech in its entirety, rather than keep this soundbite in and of itself and hijack its meaning. It’s also worth noting this was recorded in early 2023, so a lot of things have changed since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsETTn7DehI
I think it’s a powerful message and well delivered. Something the hardline MAGA crowd definitely needed to heed. And all around the world, as more of these populist movements rise or have risen.
Something the hardline MAGA crowd definitely needed to heed.
Yeah, well, the people who need to hear it wont because of algos.
That’s what no leaders seem to get. Twitter or YouTube is shouting into the void.
Not that I have a good solution for someone like him.
as an actor
Schwarzenegger may have had a very specific niche he fit within as an actor, but when he worked within that niche he was excellent. If you look at Conan the Barbarian, it should not have worked as a movie, and yet it absolutely does, and no small part of that is his acting. Dude can smolder stoically. Terminator, T2, Running Man, Total Recall, Predator, they’re all excellent uses of his very specific type.
Then jump ahead to True Lies and Last Action Hero, where he’s arguably at his height of fame, and he makes basically a couple of parodies of his acting persona, during a time when action heroes were largely taken much more seriously than they are today, and he nails both of those roles, too.
Sure, he’s got a bad habit of trying to make movies he maybe shouldn’t have, and yeah, he’s always a huge muscly Austrian with a thick accent, but I think he might be the best Western action star who’s ever lived.
As a person or a politician… ehh… could be a lot worse.
Hes a really great example of what you can achieve when you put literally all your time and energy into one thing. Gotta give him credit.
So Israel is a loser then.
No, he means weak like the weak diaspora ‘jews’.
On his final day in office, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger “announced in an executive order signed on December 31, 2010, that he had commuted Nunez’s sentence from 16 years to seven years. Back-room dealings were apparent.”.
Just swinging through to say fuck Schwarzenegger.
Agree with this outside of those opposing genocide being labeled as antisemites.
I mean people have been criticizing Israel for decades without being called antisemites. At least not credibly. I know because I’ve been calling Gaza and apartheid state since the 90s. The difference here is the way people have formed a rhetorical alliance with actual neo Nazis instead of articulating those specific criticisms. People slinging around “Zionist” are just as obnoxious as people slinging around “antisemite.” The left really needs to do better on this. Use your words, not problematic bumper sticker politics.
The algorithm boosts the voice that create the most engagement and shareholder value. It’s a perfectly objective and rational way to run political discourse. What is wrong with bumper sticker politics, they are extremely efficient.
You must be some obnoxious communist to criticize this! (jk lol)
PS: You’re probably right though, and actual antisemites and fascists are the reason why the propaganda wasn’t able to completely quell criticism of Israel about the genocide. So in this very rare instance we probably should thank our nazi bedfellows, otherwise Israel would kill, starve and rape Palestinians even harder.
Was going to say, the quote sounds great, but of course I had a feeling the context was probably saying… calling the specific government/individuals who are commiting a genocide out for what they are actually doing. Rather than hating people for what their race is.
Actually, the speech is mostly about that last part even as it starts on the Holocaust. Since so far I didn’t see a link to it, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsETTn7DehI
MAGA/GOP? Losers. Zionists? Losers.
And yet they cause incomprehensible suffering. We must stop them now.
I wouldn’t say either of those groups are losers right now as they control the most powerful government on earth right now.
For now…
Sadly he joined the GOP.
While I may like the sentiment, his actions are contrary to it.
Perhaps have a look at what he achieved instead of the label he achieved it under. His policies were pretty far removed from what you would expect from a Republican.
Then maybe he shouldn’t be registered with a party that’s against all his values.
He’s a Republican because he fell for the Reagan bling, he’s said multiple times he got in it for him. I think he never really understood what that actually meant, and he did side with leftist ideas more often than against, and he did do a bunch of things that are more leftist than he understands, but he still had some pretty entrenched ideas of what a Republican is that he never managed to question despite having reality shoved in his face, so he’s still a Republican by religion and lack of reckoning of what that really does.
Imagine this, though: Imagine the above comment was made by a conservative, upset at AOC, a deeply progressive politician, for joining the Democratic Party, a group that supports Israel and tends to work quietly against universal healthcare.
It’s sometimes poor logic, but people do successfully cherry pick reasons to feel the same about the Democrats - fans of progressives especially.
Decidedly have no love for the GOP, but he was a politician in a time where the GOP was immensely different from what it is today, and the focus of the party was not overt bigotry and absolutism. Iirc, he was also talked about as a bit of a black sheep during the Bush Jr.-era GOP politics, but I might be misremembering things based on my own impressions from that time.
The GOP in 2016. “We can’t have Hillary as President. The world will laugh at us!”
The GOP in 2016. “Who cares what anyone thinks of us?? USA! USA!! USA!!!”
The GOP glorifies personal responsibility while making sure that individuals without wealth have little to no power.
The GOP back then when Arnie joined was more socially progressive and actually fiscally conservative. This was the party that allowed more migrants in the 1980s, and courted Muslim voters in 2000 presidential election by tapping into the mostly immigrant Muslim’s entrepreneurial spirit-- and it worked. I won’t vote for any conservatives because I inherently disagree with them on economics and I am not religious, but 2000’s GOP is the kind of conservative that I identify as conservative.
“socially progressive and fiscally conservative” is and always has been a copout phrase used by people that will never, ever, support wide spread systemic change to better people’s lives, but dont want to be yelled at for it. Its the “thoughts and prayers” group.
Notice that everyone who claims to be socially progressive and fiscally conservative still always votes Republican. It’s basically their way of saying “I don’t personally want to kill all gay people, but would gladly vote for politicians who do if it means I might get a tax break.”
copout phrase used by people that will never, ever, support wide spread systemic change to better people’s lives
Well they are called conservatives for a reason. Because they value “conserving” whatever it is.
He’s referring to people who claim to be “socially progressive and economically conservative” because those two concepts are diametrically opposed
Because those who are “socially progressive and economically conservative” are operating from the classical liberal sense of personal freedom and freedom from government control on the market. Liberalism and capitalism are progressive ideas when they first came out, as these ideas were opposing the aristocratic hierarchy and government control of economy to turn profit (mercantilism). Now, with aristocracy pretty much gone, personal liberty is practically non-questionable, and free market is widely adopted, these are given and hence became “conservative” in the modern sense.
I dont know how true this is but i also heard his dad was a nazi(not all that uncommon in austria…) and he basically based his worldview on being a better person than him and helping people who nazis hurt. He also got a lot of shit and got called gay for bodybuilding by his dad and basically single handedly redeemed the sport so id say he was successful.
