Vivaldi is better than most. Most of it, is open-source, only the UI is not, for marketing/brand, etc reasons (they explained it better here https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/).
I prefer to use Zen or arkenfox but since Mozilla appears to be following the “AI everywhere” route I will stick with Zen for now. For work related, sometimes I have to use a chromium browser so I use Vivaldi since I don’t like Brave. One other option would be to use ungoogled-chromium which is chromium but without any google spyware or services for that matter but, because of that, you can’t easily install extensions so it’s a trade-off.
For what I remember they only compiled it to Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD and some ARM architectures. You can always compile it yourself altho, the wait time is lengthy.
I’ve done this, and while it’s a good browser, it’s super annoying - so much easier to stick Arkenfox.js into Firefox where uBO was never under threat anyway.
The level of control Google has over the Chromium project is always going to be a major liability, so we must support other engines long term, and until Ladybird and other projects are out there, it’s Firefox.
It’s a shame to see how beholden pols have become to corpo-oligarchs, we’ll never see Google carved up the way AT&T was.
I agree, that’s the dream at least. Even Mozilla has been making poor choices (AI and changes to their privacy policy with more nuanced language so they can share your data with their partners, which goes directly against their old promise to never share it or collect it). My faith in them is very much shaken but yeah, they are still better than the alternative…for now.
I also default to Vivaldi when I need to use a Chromium browser, and I have found that I like the Feeds part of the browser better than Thunderbird. It is for sure the most customizable Chromium based option, so many tweak-able options. Aside from a couple of RSS feeds I check like once or twice a day, Zen and FF are my defaults for basically all browsing. I don’t tend to do things that make use of the AI stuff in FF, but honestly don’t really care if Mozilla has those options as long as they keep them as easy to disable as they currently are.
Agreed. Not kidding myself into thinking it would happen. But would be cool if enough of the FF forks were able to form a collective or some body to work on shared effort to develop the main base of the browser in the event (or when) Mozilla calls it quits. The individual forks obviously have their own goals and ideologies that conflict at various levels (LibreWolf and Zen being two obvious examples). But all of them are able to do amazing work with the current base of FF.
Easy to think about, but so much harder to realistically pull off. I know donations are like drops of mist compared to the real money sources for Mozilla. Which would mean such a collective has less of a chance. Though I know a lot of FF users would be willing to donate if they knew it was going directly to the engine/core and not the non-browser stuff. Mozilla more or less seems to really want to be something more like EFF with various efforts not about the browser.
FF went from forcing some amazing demand for breaking away from the fake “standards” MS created and made extensions and tabs normal. To being overwhelmed by Google’s version of modern IE, and trying to chase features that even normie Chrome users don’t really care about (just really care that the sites they use work). Which aside from conflicting with stated goals, tend to not work with so many sites that now code specifically for Chromium and DRM (not even allowing sites to load if anything but Chromium is detected).
One really great thing FF has going for it is the Android version. Having my extensions (even if some of them need to be side-loaded via activating dev mode) really make browsing on my phones/tablets feel more like my desktop. Not an iPhone user, so I can’t speak to the iOS versions. But at least Safari is able to have uBO Lite and other extensions.
Vivaldi is better than most. Most of it, is open-source, only the UI is not, for marketing/brand, etc reasons (they explained it better here https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser-open-source/). I prefer to use Zen or arkenfox but since Mozilla appears to be following the “AI everywhere” route I will stick with Zen for now. For work related, sometimes I have to use a chromium browser so I use Vivaldi since I don’t like Brave. One other option would be to use ungoogled-chromium which is chromium but without any google spyware or services for that matter but, because of that, you can’t easily install extensions so it’s a trade-off.
I couldn’t find any fresh ungoogled-chromium builds, at least for my device. Isn’t the project actually dead?
No. If you are looking for binaries you have them here https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/
So they just don’t port/compile it for certain platforms anymore?
For what I remember they only compiled it to Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD and some ARM architectures. You can always compile it yourself altho, the wait time is lengthy.
I’ve done this, and while it’s a good browser, it’s super annoying - so much easier to stick Arkenfox.js into Firefox where uBO was never under threat anyway.
The level of control Google has over the Chromium project is always going to be a major liability, so we must support other engines long term, and until Ladybird and other projects are out there, it’s Firefox.
It’s a shame to see how beholden pols have become to corpo-oligarchs, we’ll never see Google carved up the way AT&T was.
I agree, that’s the dream at least. Even Mozilla has been making poor choices (AI and changes to their privacy policy with more nuanced language so they can share your data with their partners, which goes directly against their old promise to never share it or collect it). My faith in them is very much shaken but yeah, they are still better than the alternative…for now.
I also default to Vivaldi when I need to use a Chromium browser, and I have found that I like the Feeds part of the browser better than Thunderbird. It is for sure the most customizable Chromium based option, so many tweak-able options. Aside from a couple of RSS feeds I check like once or twice a day, Zen and FF are my defaults for basically all browsing. I don’t tend to do things that make use of the AI stuff in FF, but honestly don’t really care if Mozilla has those options as long as they keep them as easy to disable as they currently are.
After they broke their promise to never collect our data, I’m not very optimistic towards the future of FF but for now, it’s kinda all we have
Agreed. Not kidding myself into thinking it would happen. But would be cool if enough of the FF forks were able to form a collective or some body to work on shared effort to develop the main base of the browser in the event (or when) Mozilla calls it quits. The individual forks obviously have their own goals and ideologies that conflict at various levels (LibreWolf and Zen being two obvious examples). But all of them are able to do amazing work with the current base of FF.
Easy to think about, but so much harder to realistically pull off. I know donations are like drops of mist compared to the real money sources for Mozilla. Which would mean such a collective has less of a chance. Though I know a lot of FF users would be willing to donate if they knew it was going directly to the engine/core and not the non-browser stuff. Mozilla more or less seems to really want to be something more like EFF with various efforts not about the browser.
FF went from forcing some amazing demand for breaking away from the fake “standards” MS created and made extensions and tabs normal. To being overwhelmed by Google’s version of modern IE, and trying to chase features that even normie Chrome users don’t really care about (just really care that the sites they use work). Which aside from conflicting with stated goals, tend to not work with so many sites that now code specifically for Chromium and DRM (not even allowing sites to load if anything but Chromium is detected).
One really great thing FF has going for it is the Android version. Having my extensions (even if some of them need to be side-loaded via activating dev mode) really make browsing on my phones/tablets feel more like my desktop. Not an iPhone user, so I can’t speak to the iOS versions. But at least Safari is able to have uBO Lite and other extensions.