Last I checked the Korean war didn’t happen because of 9/11, it happened because North Korea, which was funded and armed by the Soviet Union, invaded South Korea with the intent of occupying the whole peninsula by force against the will of the people in the South. The US intervened on the behalf of the legitimate government of Korea, and pushed pack the Kim Il Sung’s invasion back to the 38th parallel. Because of America’s intervention. South Korea managed to transform itself from an impoverished and backwards dictatorship into one of the world’s freest, most prosperous, most advanced nations. North Korea on the other hand remained an impoverished and backwards dictatorship that only managed to get worse because the Kim dynasty put their people through a massive famine and some of the world’s worst tyranny.
If you’re going to sit here and try to unironically simp for fucking North Korea of all places then kindly go fornicate yourself with a lead pipe.
You’re extremely mistaken regarding the Korean war. The South was not the “legitimate government” of Korea, it was an American-installed dictatorship made up of collaborators from the previous Japanese occupation. The North had a much greater claim to being the legitimate government, and Kim Il Sung, having fought the Japanese rather than being a collaborator, would have won nationwide elections had the American occupation allowed them.
The 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border, and didn’t become one until after the war. It was just the demarcation between the two occupation zones. South Korea made plenty of incursions into the North before the war, it’s just that the North pulled the trigger on an all-out invasion, and they had every right to do so given that half of their country was occupied by a hostile imperial power.
Nobody’s “stanning” North Korea, you dolt. We’re talking about history, and the history is that the United States pursued a campaign of genocidal terror-bombing against North Korea, destroying every city, town, and piece of civilian infrastructure. They used biological weapons developed by Imperial Japan’s Unit 731, they doused villages full of people with napalm. It is in no way inaccurate to say that it was a war of extermination that you undertook against them. To top it off, after the armistice, you imposed a perpetual economic siege and military encirclement, in their eyes threatening to resume hostilities at any time. Is it any wonder that they would end up “sooo craaaazy and evil”? All I said was that the US went a lot crazier per building destroyed than they did.
Most of your claims are either misleading or outright false. I’ll just go through the main ones:
Legitimacy of governments: Neither Korean state emerged from nationwide self determination, but between the two, South Korea was way more legitimate. It was recognized by the United Nations in 1948 following UN supervised elections. Those elections were limited to the South because the Soviet Union refused to permit UN observers in the North. North Korea’s government was established under direct Soviet occupation, with Kim Il Sung selected and installed by Moscow. This is not disputed by historians.
Kim Il Sung and elections: There is no evidence that Kim Il Sung would have won free, nationwide elections. This is pure speculation. Kim was not a dominant national figure in 1945, and the North itself never allowed free elections. Opposition parties were eliminated early, including before the war. Claiming inevitable electoral victory is propaganda, not history.
38th parallel: You’re correct that the 38th parallel was not an official border before the war. It was just the line of demarcation between U.S. and Soviet occupation zones in 1945, but after the war, the armistice did establish it as a de facto border.
Border incursions: There were border clashes and provocations by both sides before 1950. That does not change the fact that North Korea launched a full scale, planned invasion on June 25, 1950, using tanks, artillery, and coordinated divisions with Soviet equipment and Stalin’s approval. This is established by Soviet archival evidence. Calling this justified or defensive is an ideological claim, not a factual one.
Bombing and “genocide”: The U.S. bombing campaign was devastating and caused enormous civilian suffering. That is true. What is false is calling it genocide. There was no policy or intent to exterminate Koreans as a people. At the same time, your account omits that North Korean and Soviet backed forces carried out extensive atrocities in the South, including mass executions of civilians, political prisoners, and suspected opponents. Brutality in the war was not one sided.
Biological weapons: The claim that the U.S. used biological weapons derived from Unit 731 is false. These allegations originated from North Korean and Chinese wartime propaganda and have been discredited. No credible documents or physical evidence supports them, and post Cold War archival research confirms they were fabricated.
Postwar “siege”: What siege? 2/3 of the borders that North Korea has are with its allies, Russia and China. It has maritime access to both of them. There’s NOTHING stopping North Korea from trading with other countries, the Kim dynasty actively chooses to keep it to a bare minimum even if it comes at the comes of their citizens’ well being because they want total control.
Threatening to resume hostilities: You sure got things backwards. The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it. Why? Because the US military acts as the ultimate deterrent to prevent North Korean hostilities. North Korea still actively threatens North Korea with nukes, invasions, and they also occasionally do some minor attacks. For all intents and purposes, the Korean war never ended and no formal peace agreement was signed. The reason for this because North Korea refuses to proceed with talks in good faith.
You are so wrong because you consistently replace documented facts with ideological framing. You treat speculation as evidence, erase Soviet responsibility, excuse a war of conquest, and repeat debunked propaganda. That is not historical analysis. I’m talking history, you’re not. Not to mention that your entire thesis here doesn’t even answer the central question of this whole conversation, which is why does North Korea have insane levels of tyranny? I’m saying it’s a result of the Kim dynasty’s evil and greed as other war torn countries did not end up being this locked, isolated, and totalitarian. It is entirely unjustified and the regime is to blame. You, on the other hand, are saying that their tyranny it’s because of war that stopped being hot 70 years ago and 9/11. You’re not a serious person and that’s not a serious stance.
“The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it.”
Imagine how cucked you’d have to be to pay for your own occupation force voluntarily, God damn.
Nobody’s “stanning” North Korea, you dolt. We’re talking about history
Remember when you wrote this? Yeah, it turns out I was completely right and you are full of shit lmao.
Imagine how cucked you’d have to be to pay for your own occupation force voluntarily,
Occupation is when a country’s democratic government works with its allies to protect its sovereignty, which has brought the nation unprecedented levels of prosperity, peace, and freedom from a tyrannical regime who frequently threatens its existence. You’re an actual idiot.
Like what is even the point of this comment? You don’t seem to follow what the topic is anymore. You don’t even have a point to make. The reality is that you’re just butthurt that I called out the North Korean regime for what it is. I made an extremely obvious and true statement, and you got mad it at and so you tried to counter reality with a series of propaganda diarrhea comments that you tried to hide under the guise of “discussing history”. When bullshit claims got so thoroughly debunked, your true form of a seething brain dead ideologue has come to reveal itself, and this is what you really are.
You have no sources, no logic, no facts, no explanations, no points, nothing. You’re so brain dead and so brainwashed that it literally doesn’t matter how valid or true my statements are, you will forever continue to double down on a false ideological narrative and will continue to shit out these nonsensical comments like a bot until I give up. Like seriously, is there any chance in hell you would ever see sense and have your mind changed? I know there isn’t. Luckily, I’ve talked to one too many of your type to know where this is going. Therefore, it’s wise for me to bow out now because there is no value left in this discussion. You simply don’t deserve another reply, so have a good day.
2 buildings vs. all of them. Incomparable.The rabid dog genocidaires of the United $naKKKes will assuredly be punished for their crimes
Last I checked the Korean war didn’t happen because of 9/11, it happened because North Korea, which was funded and armed by the Soviet Union, invaded South Korea with the intent of occupying the whole peninsula by force against the will of the people in the South. The US intervened on the behalf of the legitimate government of Korea, and pushed pack the Kim Il Sung’s invasion back to the 38th parallel. Because of America’s intervention. South Korea managed to transform itself from an impoverished and backwards dictatorship into one of the world’s freest, most prosperous, most advanced nations. North Korea on the other hand remained an impoverished and backwards dictatorship that only managed to get worse because the Kim dynasty put their people through a massive famine and some of the world’s worst tyranny.
If you’re going to sit here and try to unironically simp for fucking North Korea of all places then kindly go fornicate yourself with a lead pipe.
You’re extremely mistaken regarding the Korean war. The South was not the “legitimate government” of Korea, it was an American-installed dictatorship made up of collaborators from the previous Japanese occupation. The North had a much greater claim to being the legitimate government, and Kim Il Sung, having fought the Japanese rather than being a collaborator, would have won nationwide elections had the American occupation allowed them.
The 38th parallel was not an internationally recognized border, and didn’t become one until after the war. It was just the demarcation between the two occupation zones. South Korea made plenty of incursions into the North before the war, it’s just that the North pulled the trigger on an all-out invasion, and they had every right to do so given that half of their country was occupied by a hostile imperial power.
Nobody’s “stanning” North Korea, you dolt. We’re talking about history, and the history is that the United States pursued a campaign of genocidal terror-bombing against North Korea, destroying every city, town, and piece of civilian infrastructure. They used biological weapons developed by Imperial Japan’s Unit 731, they doused villages full of people with napalm. It is in no way inaccurate to say that it was a war of extermination that you undertook against them. To top it off, after the armistice, you imposed a perpetual economic siege and military encirclement, in their eyes threatening to resume hostilities at any time. Is it any wonder that they would end up “sooo craaaazy and evil”? All I said was that the US went a lot crazier per building destroyed than they did.
Most of your claims are either misleading or outright false. I’ll just go through the main ones:
Legitimacy of governments: Neither Korean state emerged from nationwide self determination, but between the two, South Korea was way more legitimate. It was recognized by the United Nations in 1948 following UN supervised elections. Those elections were limited to the South because the Soviet Union refused to permit UN observers in the North. North Korea’s government was established under direct Soviet occupation, with Kim Il Sung selected and installed by Moscow. This is not disputed by historians.
Kim Il Sung and elections: There is no evidence that Kim Il Sung would have won free, nationwide elections. This is pure speculation. Kim was not a dominant national figure in 1945, and the North itself never allowed free elections. Opposition parties were eliminated early, including before the war. Claiming inevitable electoral victory is propaganda, not history.
38th parallel: You’re correct that the 38th parallel was not an official border before the war. It was just the line of demarcation between U.S. and Soviet occupation zones in 1945, but after the war, the armistice did establish it as a de facto border.
Border incursions: There were border clashes and provocations by both sides before 1950. That does not change the fact that North Korea launched a full scale, planned invasion on June 25, 1950, using tanks, artillery, and coordinated divisions with Soviet equipment and Stalin’s approval. This is established by Soviet archival evidence. Calling this justified or defensive is an ideological claim, not a factual one.
Bombing and “genocide”: The U.S. bombing campaign was devastating and caused enormous civilian suffering. That is true. What is false is calling it genocide. There was no policy or intent to exterminate Koreans as a people. At the same time, your account omits that North Korean and Soviet backed forces carried out extensive atrocities in the South, including mass executions of civilians, political prisoners, and suspected opponents. Brutality in the war was not one sided.
Biological weapons: The claim that the U.S. used biological weapons derived from Unit 731 is false. These allegations originated from North Korean and Chinese wartime propaganda and have been discredited. No credible documents or physical evidence supports them, and post Cold War archival research confirms they were fabricated.
Postwar “siege”: What siege? 2/3 of the borders that North Korea has are with its allies, Russia and China. It has maritime access to both of them. There’s NOTHING stopping North Korea from trading with other countries, the Kim dynasty actively chooses to keep it to a bare minimum even if it comes at the comes of their citizens’ well being because they want total control.
Threatening to resume hostilities: You sure got things backwards. The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it. Why? Because the US military acts as the ultimate deterrent to prevent North Korean hostilities. North Korea still actively threatens North Korea with nukes, invasions, and they also occasionally do some minor attacks. For all intents and purposes, the Korean war never ended and no formal peace agreement was signed. The reason for this because North Korea refuses to proceed with talks in good faith.
You are so wrong because you consistently replace documented facts with ideological framing. You treat speculation as evidence, erase Soviet responsibility, excuse a war of conquest, and repeat debunked propaganda. That is not historical analysis. I’m talking history, you’re not. Not to mention that your entire thesis here doesn’t even answer the central question of this whole conversation, which is why does North Korea have insane levels of tyranny? I’m saying it’s a result of the Kim dynasty’s evil and greed as other war torn countries did not end up being this locked, isolated, and totalitarian. It is entirely unjustified and the regime is to blame. You, on the other hand, are saying that their tyranny it’s because of war that stopped being hot 70 years ago and 9/11. You’re not a serious person and that’s not a serious stance.
“The reason why the U.S. has a continued military presence in South Korea is because the South Korean government requests it and pays for it.” Imagine how cucked you’d have to be to pay for your own occupation force voluntarily, God damn.
Remember when you wrote this? Yeah, it turns out I was completely right and you are full of shit lmao.
Occupation is when a country’s democratic government works with its allies to protect its sovereignty, which has brought the nation unprecedented levels of prosperity, peace, and freedom from a tyrannical regime who frequently threatens its existence. You’re an actual idiot.
Like what is even the point of this comment? You don’t seem to follow what the topic is anymore. You don’t even have a point to make. The reality is that you’re just butthurt that I called out the North Korean regime for what it is. I made an extremely obvious and true statement, and you got mad it at and so you tried to counter reality with a series of propaganda diarrhea comments that you tried to hide under the guise of “discussing history”. When bullshit claims got so thoroughly debunked, your true form of a seething brain dead ideologue has come to reveal itself, and this is what you really are.
You have no sources, no logic, no facts, no explanations, no points, nothing. You’re so brain dead and so brainwashed that it literally doesn’t matter how valid or true my statements are, you will forever continue to double down on a false ideological narrative and will continue to shit out these nonsensical comments like a bot until I give up. Like seriously, is there any chance in hell you would ever see sense and have your mind changed? I know there isn’t. Luckily, I’ve talked to one too many of your type to know where this is going. Therefore, it’s wise for me to bow out now because there is no value left in this discussion. You simply don’t deserve another reply, so have a good day.
Calm down, Ben shapiro
Why are you still here? Go troll elsewhere
Who’s trolling? You’re the one who thinks the lives of 3000 Americans has more value than millions of Koreans and Iraqis.