Thank you, removing it now!

Yes, but we used to have some checks and balances. The fact that he wasn’t in office the past 4 years proves that.

He’s not coming out in 2028 unless we have real midterms in 2026 (and maybe not even then.)

AFAICT all this he’s doing to intentionally ratchet up anger and tension is to give him the justification he feels will be enough to install himself deeply enough before 2026 that either the election will be a sham or it can just be ignored. That will be the true signal (IMO) that we’re in a Regime, not just a shitty president elected by 70 million shitty people.

He wants it to be a regime, no doubt. I’m just not sure we’re really there yet. (The difference is academic mind you, he’s getting people killed already while he dismantles our government.)

Yep. When Vance came out and said “yeah I lied about the dogs and cats in Ohio for votes” (paraphrasing, but I’m happy to dig out a link if someone wants it) and it didn’t even move the needle I knew we were cooked.

You don’t say.

IRL an opener like that receiving a response like that would probably be a sign that these two people are absolutely made for each other, IMO. They’d probably be a fantastic couple and wind up growing old together.

Heh. Prior to this year I could not have believe such a thing was even possible. But this year…

Once someone’s reading comprehension gate slams one direction in these conversations it’s hard to get it to flip the other way sometimes. I also tried, but I expect he’ll tell me to fuck off next or something.

Oh well. Thank you for also trying!

So you don’t think those people would benefit the most from those programs?

Don’t put words in my mouth my post was clear.

Well, I didn’t, but OK.

You got me on McGovern!

the poorest most easily manipulated people

The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as “radical” and “socialist” you mean?*

*Which is not some blanket endorsement of Democrats. A lot of them are also out of touch, too conservative, and still trying to run the country like it’s 1952. I’m eagerly awaiting the rise of a viable 3rd party (but after all these decades I’m not really holding my breath) or the implosion of the Democrats. I was aghast that Trump somehow pulled them right instead of left, but maybe it will result in an implosion from which Bernie, AOC, Jasmine Crockett and such can bring a phoenix out of the ashes.

LOL I skipped right over that bit.

This party as a tool of the corporations is finished. You’re watching its death throes.

This is the most optimistic take I’ve seen and I like it.

I’m blaming nobody, I’m recognizing the circumstance. Whether they actually helped him win, or whether they just widened the gap, my one and only assertion is that there was an impact, and of the two viable candidates that impact, to whatever degree it existed, benefited Trump.

Now those fuckers who voted for Trump in 2024? Dead to me. Excommunicado.

Some related links, which I should have included in the first place!!

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york

Just answering your question, not here to debate you.

I can’t speak for the creator of the meme, but you have not described me.

I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.

Me too grandpa.🙂

It’s pretty much covered in these articles. There are more, but this should give you an overview.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/26/democrats-zohran-mamdani-meltdown-new-york

Because that’s what we were given to choose from.

Insert long, tired diatribe about FPTP voting and the US two party system here.

TL;DR: Third party votes were effectively a vote for Trump. And while I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) this was always true, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.

This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I’m not and have not been a fan of Harris. She’s still not Trump.

Edit: While I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) it was always true that third party vote was going to help Trump get in, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.