If you think you plan will work without the social organization to make it work (and amend it), then you try to think for others. That kind of misunderstanding end very badly during revolution

if we are not prepared to run things differently, they won’t. Destruction is not enough

Is not like we have only 2 options. Their is some people organized for emancipation and against their own states in both Iran and Israel. Campism forget people in focusing on states. That a shame that somme commies took this path : "the freedom of the workers will be build by the workers themselves " - 1st international statutes

No Zionist are not jews extremists. . Some Jews extremist are, and zionist are not jews. Some Zionist are christians extremist, some zionist are atheist. Zionism is preteding to defend Jewish people. Its racist and colonial against people of Palestine, people from maghreb or Africa, and it could be antisemitic too : https://lemmy.wtf/post/22551217

During demo for palestine, we were a lot of Jews; some not practising, some without belief, and some orthodoxe. If you are surprised, by one of those statement, you may reconsider what you think of who are jews or not; because is neither to you or Israel to decide.

Christian Bible said that everyone have to be convert; I would not say that every Christian are intolerant to other bielief. It’s obvious that every christians to not believe in eevrything in the bible. Why Jews couldn’t do the same with the Torah ?

Living in a land is unrelated to forbid anyone else to do the same. Jews where diving there for millennium before the colonization. And finally, if you thing that we all have to be fundamentalists, the Torah said that the diaspora is is a divine punition, and that this is the role of the messiah to lead us to Israel. Lots of orthodoxe are anti-zionist saying that only god thogh the messiah could allow us to move in Israel.

Sorry but you don’t no shit

I don’t give a shit if those numbers are right or true. It’s not changing anything

All my statements are against the state of Israel (and any imperialist state), and against Zionism (and every state nationalism). I’m just afraid that people are confused between jews and zionist. And you short reading trend to prove my right

Nationalities (or citizenships has pointed by @Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) are made by the ruling class, and have no reality in it-selves. I don’t say we couldn’t used those categories, but we have to stay critic.

If not, we will hide some solidarity or antagonism between class. Israel threat a lot of people, including Jews (Falashas, Sefarad, Yiddish, …), and is supported by anti-semits (radical evangelists, far right party, nazi organization), …

A poll based on legal categories in an apartheid state is accurate. However, using the name chosen by the nationalist propaganda (i.e “Jews” and not “Jewish Citizenship”) is taking part in this propaganda, and have disastrous effect.

No, it’s not. Again the biggest organization that support zionism is evangelist. A lot of atheist people are atheist, and a lot of jews are not zionist, or are anti-zionist. You making short link that break solidarity and make confusion their.

Yes religion used to justify nationalism, colonialist, imperialist and apaththeid… as a propaganda. We don’t fighting Israej in repeating its propaganda.

Yiddish culture has piratically been destroy by Israel policy. Jews from Ethiopia (Falashas) has been sterilized by force the Israel. Being Jews or not is unrelated with Israel.

so you say that nationalities are more accurate than religion. That’s my point

That’s not the point. This a fascist state, which imply a massive support from the population, their is no debate.

So we have to stop being so naive. What say those numbers ? Who allow those numbers to exists ? What those numbers do not tell ? Why nobody ask themselves those questions ?

• Those numbers in showing racial struggle may hide social struggle or imperialist struggle
• in a fascist state at ware, this poll could have been invisibilized or forbid by the Israel. So, it may help it’s propaganda
• I don’t think any difference in the support of Israeli people to they fascist government that the support of people in western countries to their own government. In focusing in this imperialistic situation, may be a lot of people could avoid to fight it. Even if we are more efficient their, and it’s may help Palestine

Finally, some racist people may attack jews around the world because of the confusion made between us and Israel. And again, that confusion is one of the objective of Israel propaganda

This poll is disgusting

Why do you inquiry people based on their religion, and not their social class or nationality ? Or their implication in the settlements ? They may have interesting numbers their, but this poll decided to racialize the conflict.

Why shall we trust a poll in fascist state at war, that conclude that the leader have the support of the nationality of that fascim ? That really seems like propaganda.

Sources ? The biggest foreign community that support the fascists in Israel are evangelist.

On the other side, their is a lot of Jewish organization that support Palestine

So it’s a fascist state, which include a support of it’s population through nationalism. It doesn’t change anything that this nationalism is based on a religion, regional or cultural identity. It’s work the same.

Speaking about all the population is cutting ourselves from the ally we have in the 15%. We couldn’t say “it’s over, we couldn’t do anything for those left”; we are the 15% in our own imperialist state. And if you think that this is a different situation, there were German resistance during WW2 … and they almost kill hitler.

Even if you disagree, why speaking about Jewish people and not just Israeli people ? You just insulting every Jews that choose do not live in Israel. A choice you didn’t make.

No I think not. But the feeling of freewill do exist and seems universal. So if we have a fact based approach, it does not change much. I think there it a lot of proof that freewill is at least very weak compare to social determinism.

Free stuff is cool though

I think we should not confuse the authority based on oppression, and those based on expertise. However the last one could be justified in front of the community (like the Union), so I would use the word “hierarchical”; the trust we gave in those people is freely agreed between equals.