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    I’ve got a solution, get rid of Facebook and Fox News in your Maga people’s lives. Put parental controls on their TVs if you can and try to convince them that Fox News was bought out or something. It’s the constant deluge of bullshit that’s causing this.

    MAX FISHER: The places where Facebook usage - not general internet usage, but specifically Facebook usage - was significantly above the average for Germany, the number of attacks on refugees was also well above the average.

    SHAPIRO: That’s author Max Fisher, who writes about this research in his new book, “The Chaos Machine.” It’s not just that violence against refugees went up in places where people used Facebook a lot. The researchers also looked at outages - Facebook disruptions - and they found that when the platform went offline in a specific place, attacks against refugees in that community dropped.

    FISHER: Extended time on social media is addictive, and it changes your behavior, and it changes the way that your mind works. And it does that in a consistent direction towards more outrage, more extreme ideas and a greater hatred of us versus them.

    https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1122786134

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      You could wipe every reactionary television station, radio station, magazine, social media, and newspaper off the face of the earth, but capitalism’s internal contradictions would make their resurgence inevitable.

      So long as wages are suppressed, social safety nets withered, wealth inequality balloons, education decays, retirement age grows, and healthcare becomes unattainable, the backside into fascism is inevitable.

      How do you think fascism took hold in Germany, and how was it mitigated?

      Your analysis falls into the same trap as other liberal analysis - that our means of changing our politics is a function of “changing people’s minds” in “the marketplace of ideas”. Liberal analysis champions the notion that “ideas” are what turn the wheels of history. In reality, it was Soviet T34s blasting Nazis into mist that mitigated German fascism - not some completely unachievable and unpragmatic scheme to break into retirement homes across the country and put parental controls on grandpa’s favorite flavor of right wing pundit TV.

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    Just remember to always vote for the least worst, because there is no good, so that’s the best you can do. And fascists are always the worst, by a mile.

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      Me in my 20s: “NO EFF YOU! NO COMPROMISE!”

      Me, tired, in my 30s: “1 vote for Kodos, please”

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        80% of Democrat voters: “yeah I know they’re owned by corporate interests and won’t actually make good on any of their promises, but if I don’t vote for them the Republicans will get in”

        80% of Republican voters: “yeah I know the GOP is mostly about making themselves rich, but I hate Democrats more than I like the Republican Party”

        Votescolds: don’t you dare think of trying to upset this perfect beautiful balance that will play out every election for the next thousand years. In fact if you even suggest it you’re probably a Russian psyop

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          That’s just false though since Biden did do a lot of shit that he promised he would.

          They both suck, but it’s not even close to the same.

          Why lie?

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            fits the narrative that all politicians are bad and that no one should vote, even if it’s the most powerful force of change that ordinary people have at their disposal

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          Except there are chunks of Democrats whonare not corporate stooges who might eventually make things better.

          Literally all of the Republicans are MAGA Nazis.

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          Even your descriptions of how samey the voters are reveals a huge difference though. The nature of each “side” came through in your choice of words.

          The first paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that openly wants to harm people all around you.

          The second paragraph is essentially holding your nose and voting for the lesser evil in order to oppose the party that you happen to hate.

          The discussion almost feels moot at this point though, because SO much of the american populace has jumped at the chance to support the greater evil over and over.

          So I guess the stance I’m taking is kind of a “¿Por Qué No Los Dos?”

          1. The system is horribly broken from down in the details of the voting system all the way to the hyper-capitalist type-A rat race culture that is incompatible with sustained human happiness. It needs to be replaced to “fix” things.

          2. As long as we have our same busted culture and constitution in place, then if there continue to be regular elections that seem consistent with past ones, and no shady motherfuckers are trying to link identities to ballots, then I am probably still going to go out and vote for the lesser evil.

          Granted, we might already be past the point of no return where that vote won’t count or the election won’t happen. That’s why it’s a conditional statement.

          Capitalism and greed are not what make us our best selves. But you had better believe I voted for “maybe we should at least catch up to Europe with regulating capitalism and protecting the people” instead of “fuck everything and fuck all y’all! Let’s try turning the world superpower into a death cult for a generation or two!”

          The Harris administration is not where I REALLY want my country to be right now. Not if you’re going to give me the magic to actually fix things. But given the fork in the road between whatever Harris was bringing us and (gestures in all directions), I don’t see myself changing my mind.

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    We get it. You don’t like liberal Dems.

    Make your own party. Go. Do something.

    do anything please

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      It’s really weird to blame individuals for the failures of an organization. They can plan and change and strategize. The random voter your screaming at is a void. Stop being angry at the void, be angry at the thing that can actually change and do something.

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      voting only works if you also put in the work after the fact. When biden got elected, suddenly all the political fervor of the previous ~4 years vanished. And, assuming we get out of the current morass in one piece, it’s likely that all the uproar going on now will similarly disappear once “our guy” is in the oval office again.

      Voting is the least any person can do, but without pounding the pavement and going out and doing the legwork, it’s just a bone they throw to us so we shut up. It happens every time, in every presidential election I can remember, and yet there are still people out here saying “but dae vote or dont complain!!:!:!:!:!”!“!”!?!!:!L!". It’s insulting.

      There are few, if any, actually effective political movements that relied solely on officially approved political avenues to achieve anything. The Civil Rights movement in the US didn’t merely vote until the federal government deigned them worthy of being treated like human beings; they got out in the streets and demanded equality. The Indian Independence movement didn’t succeed by only appealing to the official colonial political apparatus using whatever methods were allowed them. They went and earned it.

      So, whenever the liberal voting bloc is ready to stop letting themselves be politically infantilized by the electoral process, get at me.

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    Leftists: Don’t worry it’s late stage capitalism so inevitably it will all fall apart without us needing to do anything. If we voted for Kamala, nothing would be different anyway, so it’s a good thing we’re doing nothing.

    Leftism is all about making people feel good about doing nothing. And that’s the point. Online socialism is monetized (like everything else online) so they need to convince you to feel good about buying from the merch stores of online “socialist influencers”.

    It’s a similar grift to the incel dating advice scam. If they gave good advice and your life improved you would stop consuming their content. Monetized socialism is always trying to sabotage liberals because if liberals were successful in improving people’s lives, the monetized socialists would lose their income stream. Liberals are a natural ally to socialists, but they are the competition to monetized socialists.

    So monetized socialists (Hasan, Vaush, etc) will constantly tell you how bad liberals are, because liberals are competition to them and they only care for that sweet monetization money.

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      Lepthishm!

      As if that’s an ideology. It’s literally a propaganda label lifted straight from FOX l, and you’re unironically using it.

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      > Leftism is all about making people feel good about doing nothing.

      Just wanted to reiterate this for anyone who scrolls past too quickly.

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        It’s stupid imo to not give these grifters their own class and throwing every applicable welfare state ideas out with the babies… how can an entire species of political stance be about doing nothing…? There’s a real issue with sofa sitters that I have been flabbergasted by for fifteen years now since I saw it. But it applies to the entire united states

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      Feel good about doing nothing? Have you actually watched a Vash or Hasan stream. Yeah the bad outcome is almost totally guaranteed at this point in time. But we’re still being basically yelled at to go phone, bank or organize.

      As for monetization. Welcome to capitalism. You either monetize or you go out of business. Better to monetize and spread propaganda than be too holy to be effective.

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        Hasan is purely outrage farming and nothing more. He builds no electoral power, has no goals to move to, and couldn’t care less to build coalitions. You know, the stuff you gotta do to get things done. He needs his viewer base to remain angry all the time because at this point he is completely audience captured and his subsistence depends on him just yapping to Twitter headlines all day.

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        You either monetize or you go out of business.

        And what business would that be? The business of getting you to buy from their merch store so they can increase their wealth. They are all millionaires and they’ve convinced you that’s all good and fine because they do their shows from sets that look like college dorms. That’s the para-social thing grifters do where they make to feel like they’re your friends which is why you feel the need to stick up for them.

        Do you really believe millionaires want a socialist revolution? LOL

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          You are insane if you don’t think all people can want socialist revolution. This is exactly the edge where you become violent and hostile. Boohooo you are not rich. It’s not about that. It’s about the abundance being kept from those in need to encourage slave like working conditions… of course you can be against that even if you are a millionaire.

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            If I became violent and hostile, guys like Vaush and Hasan would be the first up against the wall. Not that I would of course, the violent rhetoric is all a part of their cult bullshit. I’d rather they go to prison for the frauds they are. But the list of faudsters is long, we’d have to build a new prison to fit all the Trumps, Rogans, Vaushes, Hasans, etc. that the internet is infested with.

            They’re all doing the same thing, but the algorithms got you into an isolated little group that prevents you from seeing it. Add room to the prison for Musk, Zuckerberg, and whoever runs Google too.

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          The business of organizing and spreading leftist propaganda.

          I believe some millionaires want socialist revolution. Remember the bourgeoisie are not happy, even if they are better off than everyone else. They’re alienated from their fellow man. The system keeps them afraid, makes them think their only option is to make more money. This all causes further isolation and fear.

          If you’re so concerned about it. You should probably get off Lemmy. The people who run Lemmy servers are running a business. They accept donations just like Vaush and Hassan. You’re tainting yourself with capitalism by even posting here.

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            I believe some millionaires want socialist revolution.

            Do you also believe there’s manosphere influencers that legitimately want to help young men get laid by selling them protein supplements?

            If you’re so concerned about it. You should probably get off Lemmy. The people who run Lemmy servers are running a business.

            I’m not a leftist that thinks someone making a living is inherently bad. I think people making millions of dollars by gifting the gullible on the internet is bad. If Hasan and Vaush were giving tours of their houses and showing off their lambos or whatever, I’d respect them more than what they’re currently doing. I still wouldn’t respect that either because that’s trashy, but getting living a life of luxury by scamming people with cult-like ideology is the lowest of the low. This is MAGA megachurch kinda shit.

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              I think we both agree that in order for it to be a grift it needs to be insincere, right?

              From what I’ve seen, I think they’re both sincere.

              What I’m hearing from you is that they’re not sincere because… They have money?

              So if they had less money, but produce the exact same content they do today, you would cease to call them a grift?

              Am I understanding you correctly?

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                How do you measure their sincerity? Is it the charity drives? Is it the way he insults trans people? Or the way he makes fun of victims of SA? I’m curious.

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                  I think your sources are either lying to you or not digging deeper than out of context clips.

                  I don’t know Hassan as well, but I would guess they’re on the same page. Vaush has never seriously insulted trans people or seriously made fun of SA victims. Vaush is pro trans. And has seriously looked at public SA accusations on social media. Vaush also gives moral guidance against SA.

                  As for the sincerity. He has explained his ideology from first principles. And they seem consistent to me. And his actions are in line with his ideology.

                  Now there’s no way to be sure of course. And you have a right to your own opinion.

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        Hasan is multi millionaire talking to you like he’s one of you but again he’s a multi millionaire. Y’all don’t live the same life

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          If Elon musk started spreading leftist propaganda to the masses like he was spreading fascist propaganda. And if he would stop spreading the fascist propaganda. I wouldn’t have a problem with him.

          This purity testing is not helping anyone but the fascists.

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    Voting harder would have unironically prevented this situation.

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    Ooh, anti-democracy propaganda started early this cycle. I guess cons aren’t so sure about this one so they had to start this voting supression psyop this time of the year.

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      I’ll vote blue out of harm reduction, not out of hope.

      IF there’s another real election, and IF the Neoliberals win, they’ll do NOTHING to reign in the capitalists that fund the fascists because they’re bribed to protect the “free market,” just as the Fascists are.

      All them winning in 2028 might do is buy a little time before the Fascists are on the march the following cycle. That’s why it’s ignorant when people claim the only reason we’re collapsing is Trump. Reagan set the table for fascism and every president since has furthered that outcome. Whether this happened in 2020,2024, 2028, this was happening.

      So vote for the Neoliberals all you want. I do it out of the starfish parable, to one delayed fascist action, it matters, but we’re still in a capitalist fascist hell, and until we have something to vote or riot for that will bring the capital markets to cinder, nothing can improve. You should feel like throwing up after voting here.

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        When you vote neoliberal democratic party, nothing fundamentally changes, and shit system isn’t fixed. When you don’t, armed vans are roaming around the cities putting non-white people in concentration camps somewhere abroad.
        You can boast your moral superiority all you want, but those are the choices, and every person with a sliver of morality should spend all their waking second to prevent one of those choices to happen again, more.
        The “everyone is the same, voting is pointless, if you vote you are a sheep that doesn’t see the moral truth” posts are doing the opposite of that, and when the opposite is encluraged, you get the worse choice, the one that hates you and actively working on killing you.

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          There’s also not-insignificant evidence coming to light suggesting out voting is already compromised. Several counties have ridiculously anomalous voting patterns based on their investigation. Congress is already borked, and the Senate never seems to make a good decision, and the supreme Court is bought and paid for. I’m going to vote for the lesser of two evils because doing anything else is pointless, and also maybe is that vote. I highly doubt the people are going to be allowed to continue their voting fraud investigation, or make anything happen to those responsible even if the evidence becomes insurmountable.

          I’m personally afraid that there’s no coming back. Trump (take 2) is the result of a broken system, not the cause. But I’ll continue doing my part in hopes that I’m wrong. I can’t afford to expatriate.

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            You heard it here first folks: this guy says don’t vote its not worth it it doesnt matter anyway they dont count it they’ll cheat anyway

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              I feel like I remember saying the exact opposite actually… Hold on, let me check.

              I’m going to vote for the lesser of two evils because doing anything else is pointless,

              But I’ll continue doing my part in hopes that I’m wrong.

              Yep turns out I did. Yes, I absolutely have concerns that it won’t make a difference, but I’m not delusional enough to think doing absolutely nothing is a viable option. I think there’s a chance we can recover, but I’m also afraid we might not.

              I want the two party system to die, but right now our only option is to try and vote in true progressives until they remove the parts of the system that keep the status quo. Yes, I said vote them in, because I think it’s still the best current option. It’s slow, and it sucks, and there will still be a ton more damage done before anything (hopefully) changes for the better, but I’m not giving up. Just expressing my fears and thoughts. Iowa’s recent election shows that voting still works, at the very least, in the smaller elections.

              To reiterate: I, and everyone capable of doing so, should still vote. Who knows, maybe we can get enough independent Congress seats filled to eventually have an actual say in what happens.

              But you can understand my frustrations right? These people are breaking the law, refusing to follow scotus rulings, committing war crimes, and a great deal of people are cheering for it, and not a single consequence is being dished out to those who deserve it. The rule of law has never to my knowledge been so flagrantly ignored in American history.

              I’ll continue to participate in democracy, but I won’t truly believe it’s working until crimes and behavior is answered for, and those currently in power are properly held to account.

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      Americans have so thoroughly bought into the notion that democracy means an entrenched two-party system, that they instinctively view any suggestion to the contrary as “anti-democracy”.

      Virtually every other functioning democracy in the world manages to maintain legislative houses with anything from 6-20 parties represented in Government, but somehow you’ve created a self-fulfilling prophecy where it’s impossible for you to have because it’s impossible for you to have.

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        It’s cool in theory. In practice, US is a two-party system, and a regular person can’t do shit about it. So you either vote for least bad party and organise and campaign to improve something, or you vote for most bad party and spend the whole time trying to survive while the most bad party kills most vulnerable people.
        It’s a shit system, US is deeply fucked. However, you don’t go about fixing it by not understanding how it works

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          a regular person can’t do shit about it

          Regular people can do everything about it. It just needs for people to stop telling them they can’t.

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    Still wondering, are leftists just going to share memes or is this suggesting we start building bombs? The message I keep getting is that voting alone doesn’t work, that liberals, even liberal protests, don’t work, that peaceful resistance doesn’t work.

    So like… Who here is actually thinking of blowing something up or assassinating someone? Are we just talking big while looking around for someone to move first?

    Even then, where are the Luigi copycats? If we are so much more effective than liberals, why the hell aren’t we doing anything?

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      the circles of people organizing and making plans, and the people talking about it in random surveilled spaces form a venn diagram with no overlap. even as the circles of people present here and the people who are fighting in meaningful ways probably do have overlap

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        Where are these people? I don’t see them here but I just don’t see them anywhere. No buildings have blown up in DC, and the people we see who have attempted an assassination are loose lone wolves with conservative/ non-aligned backgrounds. Yes, even Luigi.

        Please, show me evidence of an American black hand.

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          I have no idea how big or growing they are, but if I did and stated evidence here I would be doing them a massive disservice. Even right wingers don’t talk openly of their plans for violence despite nearly having a free pass in comparison. Are you just trying to get people banned or something?

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          That’s the catch-22. They’re apparently around, but nobody can talk about it because if they do they’ll ruin their opsec or whatever.

          So how do we even know it’s real. Nobody has done anything to indicate that any real resistance exists. They could put up flags or do some kind of public thing that indicates there’s a resistance out there. But nope. Nothing.

          And I don’t think people should be blowing up federal buildings (unless they’re empty of federal workers who are 99% just normal people). Not only is that just wrong, but it would do nothing but hurt the cause in the eyes of the rest of the country.

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    Imagine having no knowledge of more than a lifetime of legislation and still being so sure you know the DNC’s true colors.

    EDIT: You know what? I’ll make it easier for you

    PRESENTATION BY MR. RICHARD GREENE Nov 2022

    Category 1: 13 Bills Passed By Democrats in The House but blocked by Republicans in The Senate

    1.“The Women’s Health Protection Act”: Should women have a right to have an abortion in America?

    Dems: YES 218, NO 1

    Reps: YES 2, NO 208

    /2. “The Right to Contraception Act”. Should Americans have a legal right to purchase contraception?

    Dems: YES: 220, NO 0

    Reps: YES 8, NO 195

    /3. “The Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act”. Should the oil industry face penalties for price gouging?

    Dems: YES 217, NO 4

    Reps: YES 0, NO 203

    /4. “The Assault Weapons Ban”. Should military style assault weapons be illegal for sale or purchase?

    Dems: YES 215, NO 5

    Reps: YES 2, NO 208

    /5. “The Bipartisan Background Checks Act”. Should we expand background checks to cover all gun sales?

    Dems: YES 219, NO 1

    Reps: YES 8, NO 202

    /6. “The Paycheck Fairness Act”. Should women receive equal pay for equal work in America?

    Dems: YES: 216, NO: 0

    Reps: YES: 1, NO: 210

    /7. “The Marijuana Opportunity, Reinvestment and Expungement Act”. Should cannabis be decriminalized federally and have past non-violent arrests and convictions expunged?

    Dems: YES 217, NO 2

    Reps: YES 3, NO 202

    /8. “The John R. Lewis Voting Rights Enhancement Act”. Should we enforce the provisions of The 1965 Voting Rights Act ensuring equal treatment for all voters?

    Dems: YES 219, NO 0

    Reps: YES 0, NO 212

    /9. ” The Respect for Marriage Act”. Should the Constitutional Right of same sex marriage declared by The Supreme Court be codified into American law?

    Dems: YES 220, NO 0

    Reps: YES 47, NO 157

    /10. “The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act”. Should there be consequences for police for discriminatory and illegal policing?

    Dems: YES 219, NO 2

    Reps: YES 1, NO 210

    /11. “The American Dream and Promise Act”. Should “Dreamers” who came to The US when they were young have a path to earn citizenship?

    Dems: YES 219, NO 0

    Reps:: YES 9, NO 197

    /12. “The Affordable Insulin Now Act”. Should the price of pharmaceutical insulin be capped at $35?

    Dems: YES 220, NO 0

    Reps: YES 12, NO 193

    /13. “Child Care for Working Families Act” (part of “Build Back Better) Should the government subsidize the cost of child care for certain working mothers and families?

    Dems: YES 220, NO 1

    Reps: YES 0, NO 212

    /14. “The Violence Against Women Act”: Should the government have and fund comprehensive responses to domestic violence, sexual assault dating violence and stalking?

    Dems: YES 215, NO 0

    Reps: YES 29, NO 172

    /15. BUILD BACK BETTER: In addition to Affordable Insulin and Child Care (above):Hearing Aids for Seniors, Child Tax Credit, Universal Pre-K

    Dems: YES: 220, NO 0

    Reps: YES 1, NO 212

    2022 Midterm Election Note: Most of the above bills WILL pass in early 2023 if voters re-elect a Democratic Majority in The House and #JUST2MORE Democrats in The Senate. None of these bills will be brought up for a vote in The House if Republicans regain the Majority and either Kevin McCarthy or Donald Trump is Speaker of The House. Republicans need #JUST5MORE Republicans to regain the Majority.

    Category 2: 3 Democratic Bills that became law with UNANIMOUS support by Democrats and minor support from Republicans in The Senate

    /16. The Honoring Our PACT Act”Should Veterans receive health care for serious injuries received from “burn pit” pollution while fighting in our wars?

    Dems: YES 222, NO 0

    Reps: YES 34, NO 174

    /17. “The Invest In America Act’ (Infrastructure Bill). An historic, massive infrastructure bill for America

    Dems: YES: 219, NO: 0

    Reps: YES: 2, NO 201

    /18. “The CHIPS and Science Act. Should we invest heavily in an American micro-processor (Chips) industry to compete with China?

    Dems: YES 219, NO 0

    Reps: YES 24, NO 187

    /19. “The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act”. Should the government fund mental health, school safety and crisis intervention programs and incentivize states to include juvenile records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System?

    Dems: YES 220, NO 0

    Reps: YES 14, NO 193

    Category 3: 1 Democratic Bill that became law with ZERO Republican support in The Senate

    /20. “The Inflation Reduction Act”. The largest bill to fight climate change in history, reductions in prescription drugs, a 15% minimum tax on major corporations (and many other things)

    Dems: YES 220, NO 1

    Reps: YES 0, NO 212

    2022 Midterm Election Note: Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and other House Republicans have openly declared that THEIR legislative priorities include none of the above. Instead they will say they will focus on: a) Impeaching President Biden, b) Impeaching Merrick Garland, c) Investigating Hunter Biden and d) Making all abortions illegal throughout the United States.

    The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.

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      The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.

      The Uruk-hai and Democratic Party are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy. The Uruk-hai are burning down cities, eating people and salting the earth, and the Democratic Party has consistently voted against every single one of those policies.

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      The post’s criticism is that the DNC is ineffective at standing up to fascists, not that there’s nothing desirable in their proposed legislation. Proposing laws that are guaranteed to be shot down is not an effective way of standing up to fascists.

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        The post is literally an image that has a two headed creature which is “fascists” and “Democrats doing resistance theatre”.

        That’s not a mild fucking criticism, it’s like calling Mr. Rogers a nazi gestapo accomplice because he didn’t wash his feet hard enough.

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          The Dems are doing so little to maintain the political norms of our society that they appear to be ok with them changing. They look like they’re just trying to make sure they each individually get to keep their seat. If that’s in a sham legislature, that’s fine for them. Bribes might be legal soon, so they’re getting a sweet deal.

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            The Dems have had 48 or less senators for over a decade, you might as well blame the Jackson Five for their innaction.

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              You know what, you’ve convinced me. Im gonna go grab a beer and relax. Dems have done everything that can be done. There is no point in trying to prevent a third Trump term. It was gonna happen no matter what anyway.

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                If we weren’t watching a replay of the early 1930’s, it would be funny that Democratic ideologues still pretend that Dems are powerless when Donald has had the same amount of power as Biden and Obama for eight months and he’s completely remade American culture and government.

                The problem isn’t power. The problem is Dems simply don’t care as along as their personal wealth continues to increase unimpeded.

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                  Courts keep reversing Trump’s actions because they’re illegal, they also reversed several of Biden’s executive orders such as student loan forgiveness.

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                If your idea of preventing a third trump term was to spread Anti-DNC Propaganda then yes, please sit this one out.

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                Ah look they finally got the vote manipulation bots in here to reverse all the ratios, I wonder what the delay was about?

                EDIT: To clarify, the Republican Loving Tankie bots have clearly been here.

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                  Of course, can’t be that people legitimately disagree with you.

                  How do you think the meme got popular enough for you to see it in the first place?

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          I would expect politicians to have better ideas than the ineffective shit they have been doing this year so far. Considering that I don’t believe that politicians at the national level are all actually that dumb, it has to be on purpose. There’s certainly DNC politicians who are sincere about wanting avoid fascism, but they aren’t the ones who run the party.

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            Better ideas get filibustered. They could remove filibustered but since they’ve had 48 or less senate seats since 2013-2015 congress a literal decade ago that also means the GOP could potentially pass laws without a filibuster.

            What we need is a strong DNC majority like we had in 2010-2012 which expanded healthcare to tens of millions of people and proposed tax reforms that reduced individual rates to 10% and raised corporate and foreign effective rates to 25% (many companies pay 0%

            Instead we just reelected the fucking apeass bastard who keeps cutting taxes for the rich.

            And have people learned anything from all this? NO! THEY’RE ACTUALLY GETTING DUMBER AS TIME GOES ON.

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              Dems had the presidency for four years. They had Congress for two years. With that same amount of power Donald has accomplished everything he wants.

              Did you notice those special sessions Abbott just did in Texas?

              The US president has the same power. He could have kept Congress in session for four years straight until he got what he wanted by sheer force of will.

              But that assumes he gives a shit.

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                First of all

                1. Texas house and senate were also solid red.

                2. POTUS can’t keep congress in session because that would require power of the purse which belongs solely to the house.

                3. I JUST SENT YOU A LIST OF THINGS THEY ACCOMPLISHED DESPITE THEIR 50:50 MAJORITY, NOT COUNTING ANY EXECUTIVE ORDERS.

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              Don’t pretend like the DNC aren’t to blame for not getting enough votes. Look at how hard they fumbled the last national election, and how they’re treating Mamdani.

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                  Nice ad hominem.

                  Policy doesn’t matter if you’re not effective at actually getting elected, and by now we’re kinda beyond the point where the fascists can be voted out.

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          Which of the bills you listed were about resisting fascism? I noticed two that were about actively capitulating to it (the ones aimed at disarming the populace), but zero that were about resisting it.

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            Fascism feeds on desperate and angry people. Economic reforms pre-empt fascism, while neoliberal economic policy leads inevitably towards fascism. Come on, this is basic Marxian analysis.

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            Expunging the records of millions of marijuana offenses would also restore voting rights, and the American Dream and Promise Act would give voting rights to more people who lived their lives in this country.

            It’s funny that you mention the Aussault Weapons Ban, you realize Aussault Weapons were banned once before and Republicans allowed it to expire? Do you feel just as strongly about Firearms not requiring any background checks like Every Republican seems to think? Those are both in the list.

            What about the George Floyd namesake bill that would have created more avenues to try police for their crimes? You don’t like that one? You feel bad for those poor police? I’m just trying to guage what level of NRA and Military Industrial Complex shillery you do or do not condone.

            Edit: Let’s meet in the middle, you can put a scope on a magnum or semi-auto rifle and maybe kill 5 to 30 people before reloading, is that still too repressive for you?

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              You really don’t get it, do you?

              We are rapidly approaching the time in which it will be necessary for the militia to defend the United States against a domestic enemy, if we aren’t there already. For that, they need to be just as well-armed, up to and including burst-fire AR-15s.

              Assault rifles are the type of firearms most worthy of Constitutional protection, not least, specifically because they are the last defense against tyranny. The more useful a weapon is in a military tactical context, the more I want the citizenry to have it.

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                The “2nd amendment is important for a militia to protect us from tyranny” crowd is more ineffective than the Democrats.

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                Your AR-15s are gonna do fuck all to tanks and UAVs.

                And you think Russia and China are just going to sit back and watch the USA build up from the ashes after you get massacred by some inbreds?

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                  the vc and mujahideen and Taliban stopped the greatest imperial forces in the world with small arms.

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            Dems literally distributed tens of millions of lbs of food they delivered on a floating dock they built, via landroutes, and via airdrop. Dems literally withheld large bombs from the out of control Netanyahu admin. Dems consistently held the message of peace and ceasefire in exchange for hostages being returned.

            Netanyahu literally endorsed Trump and Trump’s Pete Hegseth is literally promoting death or exodus of every Palestiniain.

            You care about Palestinians? Volunteer for the DNC.

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              Dems literally distributed tens of millions of lbs of food they delivered on a floating dock they built, via landroutes, and via airdrop.

              A floating dock that was operational for a grand total of 20 fucking days, land routes where aid trucks never reached their destination, and airdrops that all the experienced aid agencies referred to as a “grotesque distraction,” said “could never deliver the volume or the quality,” and are “expensive, inefficient, and can even kill starving civilians.”

              Dems literally withheld large bombs from the out of control Netanyahu admin.

              I’m certain the Palestinians are very grateful to have been killed with many smaller bombs rather than a few very big bombs. What a world of difference it makes.

              Dems consistently held the message of peace and ceasefire in exchange for hostages being returned.

              All while Israel refused to negotiate for the hostages’ return, even going so far as to kill the Palestinian negotiators, and always being the one to break ceasefires.

              Performative, ineffective, insulting “attempts” at delivering aid when Biden could have ended the genocide with a single fucking phonecall by conditioning defense spending to Israel on opening a humanitarian corridor and threatening sanctions if Israel continues violating international law. And I know for a fact that he could have done so because RONALD FUCKING REAGAN DID EXACTLY THAT in August 1982 when Israeli forces advanced beyond southern Lebanon and began shelling the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut. You cannot call yourself a leftist or even a liberal when you’re getting outclassed by Ronald Reagan.

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                I don’t think what Biden did was good enough. If it were me I wouldn’t have stopped at your suggestion, I’d have sent in the US military and deposed Netanyahu personally citing Israel’s own laws, international criminal justice, and defense of an ally nation under duress.

                But unlike you I don’t make that an excuse to justify the starvation of hundreds of thousands.

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                  But unlike you I don’t make that an excuse to justify the starvation of hundreds of thousands.

                  How, in all of the interactions I’ve had with you, have I ever given the impression that I’m justifying Israel’s genocide against the Palestinians? I’ve been ruthlessly criticizing Biden and the Democratic party’s complicity in the genocide and I agree that he should have gone as far as to depose Netanyahu by force if it came to it. I only mentioned conditioning defense spending and sanctions because that’s all it would have taken, and the most that could be reasonably expected of a neoliberal ghoul like Biden.

                  And I don’t know what you’re trying to communicate with that chart. Perhaps you’re trying to use the fact that Trump is far worse as some sort of gotcha, as if I don’t already know that.

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        Care to explain why the same rich people have polar opposite policy stances depending on who wins?

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          because they hedge their bets. they don’t have morals they just adjust themselves to remain rich in any morality system

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            By taxing themselves more and paying for services that enrich the lives of lower citizens, which is also evil somehow?

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              if you think they’re operating at a net loss for our net benefit, your either one of them and are doing the mental gymnastics required to move like they do or you just don’t actually look at them with even the minimal scrutiny.

              but sure, let’s pretend they don’t fix policies to always win at the stock market or have accountants to minimize their taxes. only making policies that are mutually beneficial for the upper class is still being a shitty politician who is not serving the people.

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                I’m saying we have a choice between a system that takes from them to distribute fairly to all and a system that creates an absolute authority wherein human lives have no value aside from what they produce.

                Make the right choice, volunteer for the DNC, contact your representatives and ask them to shut down the government next reconciliation. The only way to save hundreds of millions in this country from injustice and protect the people for the longterm future is to remove the GOP from power via the DNC.

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                  it’s a false dichotomy, and I’m a little too old and jaded to fall for it again. I’ve seen them pull too much shit to still believe they actually want an end to fascism.

                  I write blue reps and they say “thank you for your opinion” and then they still play nice with fascists. and when anyone tries to hold them accountable there’s always a clown going “left unity! stick to the script, we’re the only option you have”. if that doesn’t sound like a rug pull to you, I think some of the paint got in your ears

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                So you’re saying the billionaires are controlling the entire Democratic party, and making them pass progressive reforms that help workers, and that’s somehow going to make them richer?

                The simpler explanation is that they don’t control the entire party, just a few key people at high level positions. They tell those key people to sabotage the election strategy so that the progressive idealists at the lower levels can’t pass genuine reforms. That’s the controlled opposition strategy.

                The controlled opposition strategy doesn’t work if the people vote D.

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                  What are the progressive reforms that Democrats passed which would classify as a big loss for billionaires and a big win for the common folk? Democrats have to pass some incrementally progressive bills otherwise they risk losing seats to more aggressively progressive alternatives. A party which only makes small incremental improvements is the ideal case scenario for billionaires in a context where you have a two party system one of which is “the progressive side”.

                  Sure a president like Trump which lets them loose so long as they pay tribute is much better for them but it is not like all their non-ethical practices and monopolies suddenly vanish with the democrat party in charge.

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                  so you’re saying

                  just stop right there. you’re an adult. try to talk like one.

                  unfortunately if your leadership is compromised, your party is compromised. As an example, here’s special golden boy Joe Biden moving congress to break a strike. Of course it’s just easier to buy him than it is to buy the whole party. Many will toe the line for free.

                  My benevolent brother in Christ above, the DNC is the controlled opposition. They are functioning as intended

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          Because the state serves capitalism and none of their “issues” actually threatens any capitalist at all. When it does, you see both “parties” grovelling in unison.

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      For the record, I am against fascism. I voted against it.

      There. I will now await full credit for fighting fascism. After all, I’ve now done as much as the Democrats have.

      Edit: actually, I think I’ve voted against fascism more than Schumer has in the last year, so I guess I should get more credit.

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        Volunteer for the DNC, contact your reps (and Schumer) and ask them to shut down the government next budget reconciliation. Then maybe I won’t assume you’re acting on behalf of Trump, Russia, or China spreading Anti-DNC propaganda.

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            If your method of wanting better from the Democrats is letting the Republicans keep power until everything is your ideal, you’re assumed to be an anti-American operative.

            FTFY

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              It’s wild to me how someone can say “I voted against fascism” and still be accused of “letting Republicans keep power”

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                That’s exactly what they want, if you don’t vote for their approved candidate, you’re against everything they stand for.

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                  No, what they want is for everyone to stop shitting on their candidate. It doesn’t matter (to them) who the candidate is or if you vote for them - if you’re drawing attention to how shitty they are then you’re just as culpable for their loss as the opposition.

                  The emperor has no clothes.

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                TBF you can vote green and say you voted against Trump but that still means you let Republicans keep power, for example. You never said who you voted for.

                It also doesn’t really matter if you claim to vote against it via secret ballot and then you turn around and accuse the DNC of being an arm of the newage nazi party.

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              letting the Republicans keep power

              lmao My vote doesn’t matter at all where I live. Do you expect me to storm DC and take them out? Grow up.

              Normal people have absolutely zero power over this gross fascist system.

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            By claiming the DNC are an extension of the fascist party you are asking for better fascism?

            Nice mental gymnastics there bud, gold medal.

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                I dont block them just so that they dont get to say their stupidity without some reasonable response, and give them the downvotes they deserve but thats finitebanjo for you.

                Near infinite free time from their post history and none of it spent on expanding or growing as a person.

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      Libs literally think that spamming their endless losses and fascist collaborations is an argument. Please post about more issues that libs and fash collaborated on. Big winners.

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      better structure

      Category 1: 13 Bills Passed By Democrats in The House but blocked by Republicans in The Senate

      1. “The Women’s Health Protection Act”: Should women have a right to have an abortion in America?
        • Dems: YES 218, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 2, NO 208
      2. “The Right to Contraception Act”. Should Americans have a legal right to purchase contraception?
        • Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 8, NO 195
      3. “The Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act”. Should the oil industry face penalties for price gouging?
        • Dems: YES 217, NO 4
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 203
      4. “The Assault Weapons Ban”. Should military style assault weapons be illegal for sale or purchase?
        • Dems: YES 215, NO 5
        • Reps: YES 2, NO 208
      5. “The Bipartisan Background Checks Act”. Should we expand background checks to cover all gun sales?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 8, NO 202
      6. “The Paycheck Fairness Act”. Should women receive equal pay for equal work in America?
        • Dems: YES: 216, NO: 0
        • Reps: YES: 1, NO: 210
      7. “The Marijuana Opportunity, Reinvestment and Expungement Act”. Should cannabis be decriminalized federally and have past non-violent arrests and convictions expunged?
        • Dems: YES 217, NO 2
        • Reps: YES 3, NO 202
      8. “The John R. Lewis Voting Rights Enhancement Act”. Should we enforce the provisions of The 1965 Voting Rights Act ensuring equal treatment for all voters?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 212
      9. “The Respect for Marriage Act”. Should the Constitutional Right of same sex marriage declared by The Supreme Court be codified into American law?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 47, NO 157
      10. “The George Floyd Justice in Policing Act”. Should there be consequences for police for discriminatory and illegal policing?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 2
        • Reps: YES 1, NO 210
      11. “The American Dream and Promise Act”. Should “Dreamers” who came to The US when they were young have a path to earn citizenship?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 9, NO 197
      12. “The Affordable Insulin Now Act”. Should the price of pharmaceutical insulin be capped at $35?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 12, NO 193
      13. “Child Care for Working Families Act” (part of “Build Back Better”) Should the government subsidize the cost of child care for certain working mothers and families?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 212
      14. “The Violence Against Women Act”: Should the government have and fund comprehensive responses to domestic violence, sexual assault dating violence and stalking?
        • Dems: YES 215, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 29, NO 172
      15. BUILD BACK BETTER: In addition to Affordable Insulin and Child Care (above): Hearing Aids for Seniors, Child Tax Credit, Universal Pre-K
        • Dems: YES: 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 1, NO 212

      2022 Midterm Election Note: Most of the above bills WILL pass in early 2023 if voters re-elect a Democratic Majority in The House and #JUST2MORE Democrats in The Senate. None of these bills will be brought up for a vote in The House if Republicans regain the Majority and either Kevin McCarthy or Donald Trump is Speaker of The House. Republicans need #JUST5MORE Republicans to regain the Majority.

      Category 2: 3 Democratic Bills that became law with UNANIMOUS support by Democrats and minor support from Republicans in The Senate

      1. “The Honoring Our PACT Act” Should Veterans receive health care for serious injuries received from “burn pit” pollution while fighting in our wars?
        • Dems: YES 222, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 34, NO 174
      2. “The Invest In America Act” (Infrastructure Bill). An historic, massive infrastructure bill for America
        • Dems: YES: 219, NO: 0
        • Reps: YES: 2, NO 201
      3. “The CHIPS and Science Act”. Should we invest heavily in an American micro-processor (Chips) industry to compete with China?
        • Dems: YES 219, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 24, NO 187
      4. “The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act”. Should the government fund mental health, school safety and crisis intervention programs and incentivize states to include juvenile records in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System?
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 0
        • Reps: YES 14, NO 193

      Category 3: 1 Democratic Bill that became law with ZERO Republican support in The Senate

      1. “The Inflation Reduction Act”. The largest bill to fight climate change in history, reductions in prescription drugs, a 15% minimum tax on major corporations (and many other things)
        • Dems: YES 220, NO 1
        • Reps: YES 0, NO 212

      2022 Midterm Election Note: Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy and other House Republicans have openly declared that THEIR legislative priorities include none of the above. Instead they will say they will focus on:

      1. Impeaching President Biden,
      2. Impeaching Merrick Garland,
      3. Investigating Hunter Biden and
      4. Making all abortions illegal throughout the United States.

      The Republican and Democratic Parties are NOT the same. There is an almost total difference in policy.

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      Keep fighting the good fight. A lot of folks nowadays have grown disenfranchised with the democratic model because they aren’t seeing their particular flavor of progress. We must continue to guide them away from the sugar high that is dictatorial power and channel their energy into the fruits and veggies that is the democratic process. It can bear fruit if we nurture it.

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        when your party is this full of stock market sheisters, woke-washed civil rights adversaries, and child touchers forever evading consequences, claiming sole ownership of the concept of “democracy” is stealing valor.

        nobody on the left is saying democracy should end, don’t be stuffing words in people’s mouths

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          I think you’re correct that people saying that aren’t on the left, but literally the next reply to wild below yours is saying that.

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            that scoffinglizard guy? I have a lot of .ml users blocked so maybe I’m not seeing who you’re seeing but I think that lizard is saying democracy is already failed and we need a militia to restore it. or maybe I’m being too charitable, I’m trying to chill out from earlier and be more good faith-pilled

            I dunno, even commie types like the ones I block at least still pretend to want democracy. Social progress as a whole stops when you stratify legislative power.

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              No they make no mention of restoring democracy, their short comment just says our democracy isn’t real and militia needs to murder billionaires.

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                maybe this is just my brain worms talking but given the context of the situation it would only really make sense if they were meaning in order to restore democracy. are you trying to get me to look at that person’s account for you or something? why are you trying to point them out to me?

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                  A pretty sizeable number of anarchists and tankies don’t believe in democratic representation.

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        We no longer have a democratic process. The only logical democratic process is to kill billionaires. Peter Theil not only wants to create a dystopian control, but he wants to literally end the human race. We need militia.

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      The Dem leadership is trying to lose on purpose so they won’t have to pass all these progressive reforms that their representatives want to push, and the tankies are helping them

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      You know that you can strategically vote liberal

      There would have to be a strategy in voting against your own interests. It’s actively voting for bad things so worse things maybe don’t happen? That’s your strategy?

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        Correct. At present, the outcomes at the ballot box are “bad” and “worse”. Of the two, “bad” is preferable. “Good” will require non-electoral direct action.

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            How many decades of turning up your nose at the lesser evil do you people need before you realize that just makes things worse faster?

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              If it gets blue MAGA libs to actually start doing something productive instead of whining that they can’t ignore politics anymore, then I’m on team acclerationism.

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                This wont work, the libs realize you dragged them into the mud (because you guys keep saying that’s your intent) and view you as an enemy that is working to bring about their suffering. That’s exactly why its so common for people to complain about “protest non-voters” in the first place. They already use their middle class resources to simply flee or batten down the hatches & hide, and leave the poor and minorities behind to suffer. Some small portion of them seem to even (in desperation) side with or play nice with fascists to survive.

                Non-libs who are also non-accelerationists are mostly just going to grow cynical and bitter. They aren’t going to throw their lives away for a violent revolution they did not sign up for.

                Accelerationism is aggressively stupid and it will always fail. You wont get enough people willing to work with you to start a revolution when its obvious you dragged people into hell with you. You can’t create the conditions artificially. You just have a bunch of scared and angry people bickering and when they can afford it, fleeing.

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                So just to clarify, you’re perfectly fine sacrificing the millions of vulnerable people who will suffer and die under accelerationism, in exchange for the gamble that maybe your ideology might get more popular. And you have the gall to call libs “blue MAGA”?

                This isn’t a game, people have already died because of this. Maybe crawl out of your bubble long enough to think about the outcomes of your gambits.

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                  Considering libs, much like MAGA, want everyone who they think is on their side to fall in line and vote/support their chosen genocidal fascist and attack anyone who criticizes them by viewing them as the enemy (whether it be calling them an undercover agent from the other side or working with some foreign nation to make them lose), I don’t see a difference. We saw it last year with everyone that criticized Harris and we’re already seeing it again with anyone that criticizes Newsom. Hell I’ve even seen some of them doing it with criticism towards Jeffries.

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              Lmao.

              “We’re the good guys because we’re making things worse more slowly” is one hell of a self report.

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                Slowing the decline is one aspect of treatment, and the best outcome presently available via electoral action. More significant progress requires alternative methods. Mitigating damage via the electoral vector is more valuable to the efficacy of those alternative methods than whatever it is you’re trying to do by not mitigating damage.

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                  Holy shit, so many words just to cope that you got owned. Yikes.

                  Name another “aspect of treatment” from within your delirious worldview, if voting for the lesser evil is just one aspect. I dare you to elaborate.

                  More significant progress requires alternative methods.

                  Like what?! You’re so close to reality, yet so far away.

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            Is it truly a bad strategy? Or is there much less direct action than what’s needed?

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            It being a bad strategy and also the best available strategy are not mutually exclusive. No presently actionable strategy has a better outcome.

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              So there’s no strategy that has a better outcome than Trump’s second term? You sure about that?

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                What? Trump’s second term is largely the result of not strategically voting for lesser evil.

                What alternative, actionable strategy would have led to a different outcome? Actionable means “Everyone votes for the same third party” doesn’t count. So go on, what was the alternative strategy that had any chance whatsoever of succeeding?

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                  I think you’re missing the point. The strategy out of the DNC going on two decades has been “our horrible candidate is less horrible than their candidate,” and it took a worldwide pandemic and thousands of deaths for it to work once.

                  They need to stop and find someone who isn’t horrible if they ever want to win again. That or just let the world burn and hope it’s only the neolibs that survive. I wouldn’t bet on that myself.

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        Neither will a lib. They’ll “strategically” vote for some gross fascist and then directly act to have brunch. Same thing as a tankie basically. Just different imperial branding.

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      Are there any organizations taking direct action?

      People usually don’t like throwing their lives away for a 1 off act of rebellion.

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        As individuals, I think the best course of action is to build a movement behind a common goal. Talk to the people around you. Talk to people online. Break up infighting and bring people together on their common grounds. When the movement becomes big enough, then everyone rebels simultaneously. One person rebelling is one life thrown away for no gains and one less person in the movement. Everyone rebelling together is what leads to real change.

        Are there any organizations taking direct action?

        That’s you. Organize and talk to others. You will eventually find others also organizing towards the same goal. Merge your efforts and you have a larger organization. Rinse and repeat.

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          The reason so many rich are financing these Neoliberal organizations to take charge is because they will never tell us to perform the necessary action to redistribute their wealth.

          So we can organize under the Neoliberals or get fucked…

          It’s called controlled opposition

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            So we can organize under the Neoliberals or get fucked…

            It’s not one or the other. You can organize independently of the neoliberals.

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              And how much of a chance does that give independent grassroots organizations that don’t receive money from billionaires?

              You know it’s more difficult to go to two different protest events on the few days, you just don’t support the things that are necessary to enact change because you are a good serf.

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                how much of a chance

                A non-zero chance. If you have a better idea, I’m all ears. The only alternative I’m hearing is to give up, and that guarantees your chances to be zero.

                You know it’s more difficult to go to two different protest events on the few days, you just don’t support the things that are necessary to enact change because you are a good serf.

                Protesting is just one of many ways of building the movement. A protest tells you that there are others ready to take action. It creates conversation and an opening to talk to the people around you about it. Being at the protests is always good, but it’s not the only way to help a movement.

                I’m not sure if I understood what you were saying. Regardless, I think my response makes sense for at least two possible interpretations of it.

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        You could not even google it – like … how … What did they do to you guys…?

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        There’s usually one or two people actually, but they don’t usually help their cause as much as they’d like to. That guy who missed Trump didn’t help anyone do anything except make trump almost a martyr. I had a friend who told me that he knew Trump would win after that. While I don’t think in absolutes and wasn’t as sure as him (and this was not a maga guy of the rails, this is a calm man who had more to lose than me) he was right that trump did win. Most people who assassinate a president or candidate don’t get the change they want.

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          They are always mentally ill. Of course they don’t. When you are over that edge it’s clear that there isn’t a whole lot of reality and humanity left in a person. Any murderer that has been analyzed or recovered explicitly mentions overriding critical thought to be able to do those deeds.

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      Yeah… Like, I agree a lot of the liberal “resistance” is useless but also every time I see a leftist online advocating for revolution, I’m wondering when they’re gonna kick it off.

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        It ain’t gonna happen until a critical mass of the population has nothing left to lose. As it stands now, revolution sounds great to me, but getting arrested or killed leaves my family impoverished and possibly homeless. Being a cog in the machine is a preferable fate

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          Civil-War/Rebellions/Revolution’s are massively deadly and don’t frequently resolve in the revolutionaries favor. Sometimes someone worse comes along to fill the vacuum, sometimes the state just gets to justify clamping down harder if it wins.

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        People who are actively working for change in concrete ways don’t often call attention to themselves by posting about it on public social media. If nobody in power is working to silence you, you’re probably participating in controlled opposition and not much else.

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        Dude… why you gotta call me out like that? I was perfectly content being an online slacktivist, griping about shit I’m not actually going to do anything about and now you’ve ruined it 😠

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      No, I’m not, because I’m not an American and it isn’t our fucking job to fix the thing the rest of us have been telling you for decades was going to happen.