Democrats are mentally incapable of even considering the possibility that their losing to Trump two out of the three times they’ve ran the exact same campaign and candidate is their own responsibility. No, it must be the *checks notes* people who wanted them to be a little more critical of killing Arabs who are responsible. Wonder who you’ll blame when Trump inevitably runs for a third term and you decide to copy/paste your campaign strategy and candidate because you’ve learned abso-fucking-lutely nothing. I’m betting “people who don’t worship trillionaires enough”, because we’ll have some by then.
Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.
There were no “threats,” just pointing out real shit…
Vote for me or you get Trump
That’s a threat, don’t pretend to be stupid
No, it was an appeal to common sense, which apparently an absolutely terrifying number of Americans lack.
I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
So what? You still did the right/smart thing.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party
A failed party with a history of voting in favor of the middle/lower classes, who have provided affordable healthcare, strengthened worker rights/unions, lowered prescription drug costs, banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports, invested in clean energy, placed regulations on companies harming our environment, etc etc etc?
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
Both are true at the same time. She failed to condemn a genocide. Are you telling me that you think all those students protesting didn’t matter?
You liberals through your arab people under the bus to save yourselves. You had the power to demand a better candidate and help others, but instead you put your own privileges and rights over that of the arab people. Those of us who protest voted did so while standing in solidarity with Palestine. Those of you who voted for Kamala, and are now blaming protest voters, effectively spit in the face of arabs to protect yourself. You told them that your life is worth more than theirs and you are now blaming them for the consequences you brought on yourself. You vote for the Democrats time and time again despite them moving more and more right and you expect change. Voting for the lesser evil just makes the lesser evil more evil. You reached the end where now people aren’t even okay with voting for the lesser evil. You didn’t push for real change and are now blaming minorities and the people who stand by them for not wanting to play your game anymore.
I do not care if you voted for Kamala. I don’t think the people who voted for Kamala are bad people. I understand why you would vote for Kamala. I think you are a bad person if you voted for Kamala and are now trying to blame and shame minorities and the people who stood with them in solidarity for why Trump got elected.
Let’s take a peek at how it’s going for the Arab people under a Trump presidency
Oh. Not so good.
You are victim blaming, congratulations.
You are victim creating.
That’s worse.
Ah yes, the good old “If Israel is going to genocide Palestinians, it’s only fair that America genocides ethnic and gender minorities”
Give yourself a round of applause for being a fascist supporter.
You’re the kind of person that would sell out your jewish neighbors during the holocaust to save your own skin.
Go cast a vote for the “working people’s comrades"
Fuck off, comrade.
Why are you more angry at 1 person voting their conscious than you are at party leadership that had polling showing trump would win in August, yet still did nothing to turn approval around?
voting their conscious
It’s interesting how these types of comments seem to have typos like this. The kind that would be missed by someone who speaks English as a second language.
Just thought I would point it out. Another one just a few comments up starts the comment with “You liberals through out…”
…this is the only language I speak, im a disgousting monoglot tripping over all our french loaner words…
You seem to have a surplus of confidence in the average American that they can both be politically savvy enough to understand game theory as regards two-party systems and spell immaculately with the literal decades of attacks on the education system.
You’re on Lemmy. What do you think that demographics here are?
Prrotest votersDemocratic partyAs you can see by this thread, Democrats haven’t learned their lesson. They’d rather “own the libs” and vote for genocidal capitalist who’ll only be more effective at maintaining the already fascist status quo. They prefer fascists who hide it, not show it.
Maybe the political party should have conformed to the pressure of the people who vote in its party. Just saying.
Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.
Also funny to imagine protest voters being powerful enough to sway the election but not powerful enough for Dems to listen to
Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.
Lol. If we changed our foreign policies to win elections every 4 years we’d have exactly ZERO allies.
Israel is America’s most important ally in the middle east. We ain’t giving that up for a single election.
Edit: Ruffled some stupid feathers. Proud of your protest vote?
ally
America doesn’t have allies, we have vassal states and economically enforced consrcripts lol.
Why do you think all these 3rd world countries want BRICS to actually fly? They’re tired of being held hostage with USD.
I mean they straight up declared themselves police of the world in the 90s after the USSR fell. And we all know the police definitely aren’t just some systemically corrupt protectors of the wealthy.
Why is Israel America’s most important ally in the region?
Is it because they’re a colonial outpost?
A racist apartheid country is not who I want to be a close ally of my country.
It might be because they are a rogue nuclear state…
There is no reality in which America jeopardizes its relationship with its most important ally in the middle east.
Simply not an option.
So now we get to watch Dipshit Donny give Netanyahu free reign to turn Palestine to dust.
But if you’re implying that Dems should have lied like Republicans lie and told their constituents that they’d stop supporting Israel in order to get re-elected, then yeah, they absolutely should have done that to prevent what we’re about to experience.
Yes, keep blaming the voters and not the democratic party and candidate who repeatedly refused to give them a reason to vote for them. Blaming the voters will definitely win us the next election.
refused to give them a reason to vote for them
If stopping fascism isn’t enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that’s a you problem and not a them problem.
definitely win us the next election.
How quaint, you think there’s going to be a next free and fair election at this point.
What do you mean “next”?
America has never had free and fair elections.
As evidenced by the cases of Bush v. Gore, Wilding et. al. v. DNC Services d/b/a DNC and Deborah “Debbie” Wasserman Schultz, and the lack of a viable anti-genocide candidate during last year’s election.
Fuck that. No more being conciliatory, non-voters need to be ashamed of themselves. Shame has its place. Every non-voter knew about Project 2025, and then made the clear-eyed, full-chested decision to be complicit with every single consequence of a Trump victory. They need to be humbled, to feel deep shame, to be wracked with literally physically painful guilt, and to change their ways. If you’re a non-voter you can work your fucking ass off for absolution, throw 110% into volunteering and activism to undo some of the mischief and horror Trump is working on vulnerable people, or you can go straight to Hell. No mercy for collaborators or quislings.
Every non-voter knew about Project 2025
I think you’re letting conversations online distort your understanding of the actual public.
Most people were not aware Biden had dropped out. Hell, most people who didn’t vote have been chronically checked out – they decided a long long time ago that it either didn’t matter or wasn’t worth the effort. Most people have no clue what Project 2025 is. That’s something only news junkies know about.
They had every opportunity, ignorance is a choice.
that’s not really a successful attitude for activating disinterested voters
like, it’s just not a realistic approach
Disinterested voters ultimately need to pull their heads out of their asses one way or another. We’ve been Mister Nice Guy with people who refuse to question the legitimacy of their feelings, and did it produce results? Care to take a guess?
It’s time for the stick. When you tell someone they’re acting like an asshole; when you tell them they royally fucked up, scorn their idiotic motivations, and then demand that they shape up; you at least treat them like an equal, a free individual capable of being selfish and stupid. Putting them on the level of children by coaxing and cajoling and borderline tricking them into insincere imitations of empathy, while stroking their hair and plying them with praise, is debasing. And it doesn’t work.
You still think there will be a legitimate next election. Amazing.
Are y’all still fucking crying about a demographic that was too small to change the result?
Since y’all failed on your own and will probably continue to do so maybe try joining us next time! Our moment offers real change, honestly I think you’ll like it far better.
So you’re saying that protests votes don’t work?
No vote “works” if you don’t have enough of them. It’s kinda the defining feature of voting.
What definitely doesn’t work is trying to force voters to choose between “crumbling, already bad status quo” and “rapid fall into fascism” over and over. It’s just not a great motivator.
So, protest voting worked in this case?
Nope we didn’t get enough. Wanna join next time or are we going for another click on
system again?
So… protest votes don’t work. Got it. Thanks. I knew it was one or the other.
lmao what
With that logic Dems don’t work cause they lost this once, and so should never be voted for again.
But hey guess what I got something else to vote for anyway! And we can maybe not even call it a protest vote and just call it a… vote.
So… protests votes DO work. I must have been confused earlier. I think I understand now.
Protests vote when you’re not getting the perfect outcome, and everyone else can kindly insert themselves under the that bus headed this way.
Super fantastic! Thanks for clearing this up. Again, I knew it was one or the other.
You fucked up this bad and want us to join?
No.
I have no idea what this is about because it’s not in a thread. Perhaps I missed how to link context.
If you mean joining .world, no. I don’t want that.
They’re so eager to have us join their cause, yet when we asked them to take a single day out of their lives to defend the basic human rights of minorities in the US, they said “Too much trouble.”
You seem to be confusing protest voters and non-voters
In general, let’s gently redirect anger away from protest voters.
First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College. Harris would have likely won Michigan, but that seems to be the extent of what would have happened if all protest votes had flipped to blue. (Please feel free to correct me with evidence if this is inaccurate.)
Second, you’re directing your frustration at the wrong group. The Democratic Party ran a campaign that was basically center right and fostered mass apathy at the polls. That’s the real issue. You can continue to direct anger at non-voters, but all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.
First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College.
Doesn’t matter. They voted not knowing if they were going to be the deciding factor or not.
all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.
They ran a cleaner, less hateful campaign which focused way more on policy than the Republican’s campaign.
It’s not the campaign that’s the issue. It’s stupid Americans voting against their own best interests because they fell for propaganda and because they always hold the Democratic party to a higher standard. The brunt of the blame lies squarely on the American electorate. Our government is a reflection of our ignorant electorate.
They ran a cleaner, less hateful campaign which focused way more on policy than the Republican’s campaign.
And a much more hateful campaign than the same party’s campaign four years ago. Feel like leaving that out invalidates everything else you are trying to push.
How did they run a hateful campaign?
Nah, they get lumped right in with the people that stayed home. They knew they were throwing their vote away because they knew there was zero chance of their party winning the election.
The real issue is that all the protest voters and protest non voters enabled this guy, on purpose, and they know it:
Kilmeade then asked Trump: “Are you on-board with the way the [Israel Defense Force] is taking the fight to Gaza?”
“You’ve got to finish the problem,” he said.
i’m super excited to see this same strategy with no changes fail a second time XD
Then it sounds like you’re super excited to see an ignorant electorate make stupid decisions again.
We can blame Democrats all day, every day, or we can accept that Americans are pretty fucking dumb and awful at voting.
do you know what sarcasm is
Imagine believing, after more than a year of unfettered genocide, that the other huge zionist was any better.
Libs are really losing it, Hiding out in these wacky meme bubbles.
It’s almost like the Israel/Palestine issue was completely irrelevant to the election since there were only two choices and both treated it the same. Yet only the Democrat candidate lost votes over it. Funny how they worked. It’s almost like someone engineered it
Libs are really losing it
It’s hard not to when you live in a society stupid enough to put an anti-democratic felon rapist insurrectionist in the Oval Office…twice.
Hey Kamala, just say Genocide bad … just once, you don’t even need to action it, we all know politicians lie as easily as breath. Just once and you make history.
The walking special K ad throwing salutes is the result of protest votes not the continuing genocide. Palestine would burn under either administration.
Maybe, maybe not, but either way now we have a situation where anyone who’s not a white+male+cis+het+christian just got a big target painted on them in no small part due to those protest votes and the push to have democrats stay home.
Democrats didn’t stay home, that’s pure cope. They failed to swing undecided voters.
I totally agree that voting in your broken system is just harm reduction at best; but Kamala could have walked it in if that was the goal.
I totally agree that voting in your broken system
Are you not a US voter?
Oops.
Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, that should tell you ALL you needed to know
I would be curious to see the numbers but I don’t think the pro Palestine protest voters cost the Democrats the election. It definitely didn’t help, but the Dems shat the bed in way more ways than just the Palestine situation.
Pro-Palestine protest votes didn’t cost the Dems the election, but that a single group was not the deciding factor in a contest does not absolve them of responsibility. IE single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump’s victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.
And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.
single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump’s victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.
Except they didnt vote for trump and it’s disgusting to pretend otherwise
Except they didnt vote for trump and it’s disgusting to pretend otherwise
But they helped him become president. Do you understand that you can help someone become president even if you don’t vote for them? Is that a concept that you can grasp?
But they helped him become president
Millions of people in solid blue states didn’t vote, you think they helped Trump win?
Blanket statements like “if they didn’t vote they voted for trump” are fucking stupid when you look at literally any detailed data
Pro-Israel voters absolutely voted for Trump.
So we’re discussing a tiny portion of people now to avoid being called out for the authoritarian vote bullshit now, eh?
So we’re discussing a tiny portion of people now to avoid being called out for the authoritarian vote bullshit now, eh?
What is that supposed to even mean?
Well at least you admit to awful reading capabilities
What do you mean don’t blame the brown people for White America’s problems/identity crisis?
Reminder that the West Bank is the one that’s not even ruled by Hamas and hasn’t attacked Israel. If Israel tried to do this under Harris, no doubt weapons would’ve been cut off and the US might have even favored sanctions.
Lol why? Gaza is illegally occupied too.
Thousands of dead babies wasn’t enough for her or Biden. Rafah was a red line apparently and now Rafah doesn’t exist
“Legality” in this situation is completely irrelevant. The only law that would limit Kamala is the laws of politics. If she opposed intervention in Gaza, this would be the political equivalent of a frontal assault against a battleship. She’d be accused of helping Hamas, a bipartisan bill would be passed undoing whatever she does against Israel, and she’d be endlessly attacked by all sides in the media. If she opposed Israel annexing the West Bank, only the most extremist zionists would be against her on it for the reasons I stated.
Ah yeah she draw the line at killing the wrong kind of arabs /s so brave
We told them so.
^ The entirety of the DNC’s losing platform.
You know, I’ve seen FAR more leftists and third party vote wasters saying this than I ever see democrats saying it.
Yeah, but, we literally told them so.
Blame the DNC if you want if it makes you feel better.
We told them so and they still made a stupid decision. That makes them dumber than the DNC.
No no no you’ve got this wrong
If the dnc, whose constituents are elected by the people and who are supposed to exert the will of the people, decide that they do not care about the will of the people, they will find that the people do not care about them.
It is quite literally their job to carry out what their voters want. If they don’t, they lose. That’s the main premise of voting. They didn’t, they lost.
And everyone was screaming at them what they wanted
Biden expanded drilling He expanded the border wall He used trumps immigration policies He broke strikes and sided with corporations He committed genocide He did not halt price gouging He stopped testing for covid He did not help the common man
He did everything, in short, that the Republicans wanted to.
