Where have you seen capitalism work? Or what are your metrics for “it works”? And which states do you consider being failed communist states? And why did they fail in your opinion?
Its ironic you bring that up considering Cuba is one of the worst developed nations to be a doctor.Yeah and those doctors make 60 bucks a MONTH. They have to work abroad, or hold second jobs. Even when they work abroad a huge percentage of the money is funneled back to the government. They have a tremendous problem with corruption. Electricity is out constantly. They also have a horrific track record with political prisoners and massive human rights abuses in said prisons. They have zero freedom of speech and can be put in prison for even participating in threads like this one. I’d say thats a poor example.
Well, in the US you can easily get into ICE camps if you look like you could be not white enough, if you study medicine you’ll start your life with hundreds of thousands in student debt (that you won’t get rid of, even with a bankruptcy), and I’d argue that the current US administration is as corrupt (or worse), so I am not sure what you’d be looking for in a Country to consider it better or as good as a capitalist country?
Hundreds of thousands in debt with an eventual mid six figure earning potential. Not to mention potential earnings if the individual were to open a private practice in a popular major specialty. You’re not going to convince me 60 a month is a better option than 600,000 a year in your mid-late 30s after paying off your debt. That number assuming you’re a private practice doc with a sought after specialty. You can argue the current administration, but, has Cuba ever not been involved with corruption? You know for a fact ICE facilities are not pulling any brown person en mass like you’re trying to pretend. You didn’t reference my point about people being jailed very consistently for speech or the atrocities that have been reported in those prison systems. You also didn’t reference the horrific electrical grid they have there and how regularly its just completely down, leading to dozens to hundreds of deaths in hospital settings. I’m not trying to make the argument that the US is better. I’m trying to make the argument if Cuba is what youd consider a properly operating good communist country, communism doesn’t work well.
Where have you seen capitalism work? Or what are your metrics for “it works”? And which states do you consider being failed communist states? And why did they fail in your opinion?
Capitalism works pretty well for me…
Ok. and surely there’s nobody that could say the same about communism?
Well, everyone seems to think communism hasn’t been effectively enforced in any country. So, no, nobody could say that and keep that argument valid.
If you look at countries like Cuba, I’d argue that it’s working pretty well considering the circumstances.
Cuba has the highest ratio of doctors per 10k capita (95), their life expectancy was constantly rising until covid happened.
The biggest issue they have is being isolated by the USA, which also enforce that isolation across the northern hemisphere.
Its ironic you bring that up considering Cuba is one of the worst developed nations to be a doctor.Yeah and those doctors make 60 bucks a MONTH. They have to work abroad, or hold second jobs. Even when they work abroad a huge percentage of the money is funneled back to the government. They have a tremendous problem with corruption. Electricity is out constantly. They also have a horrific track record with political prisoners and massive human rights abuses in said prisons. They have zero freedom of speech and can be put in prison for even participating in threads like this one. I’d say thats a poor example.
Well, in the US you can easily get into ICE camps if you look like you could be not white enough, if you study medicine you’ll start your life with hundreds of thousands in student debt (that you won’t get rid of, even with a bankruptcy), and I’d argue that the current US administration is as corrupt (or worse), so I am not sure what you’d be looking for in a Country to consider it better or as good as a capitalist country?
Hundreds of thousands in debt with an eventual mid six figure earning potential. Not to mention potential earnings if the individual were to open a private practice in a popular major specialty. You’re not going to convince me 60 a month is a better option than 600,000 a year in your mid-late 30s after paying off your debt. That number assuming you’re a private practice doc with a sought after specialty. You can argue the current administration, but, has Cuba ever not been involved with corruption? You know for a fact ICE facilities are not pulling any brown person en mass like you’re trying to pretend. You didn’t reference my point about people being jailed very consistently for speech or the atrocities that have been reported in those prison systems. You also didn’t reference the horrific electrical grid they have there and how regularly its just completely down, leading to dozens to hundreds of deaths in hospital settings. I’m not trying to make the argument that the US is better. I’m trying to make the argument if Cuba is what youd consider a properly operating good communist country, communism doesn’t work well.
it’s worked effectively in small socially isolated religious communities with rigid social codes. Amish, Kibbitz, etc.
Ah, but all those states aren’t TRUE capitalist states. That’s why we can’t point to a successful example.
That’s funny, because Capitalism doesn’t even work when you try to make it less agressive by implementing rail guards.
But sure, looking at states like the USA makes me believe that Capitalism is doing good!